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Post by sheendigs on Jan 16, 2024 12:01:36 GMT
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Post by bikesforme16 on Jan 16, 2024 12:53:19 GMT
Heard good things about it but is it by better then line 6 helix hx stomp which is same thing but gets regular updates. I have the valeton gp200lt which is made by the same company and Andertons are selling at £200.very good for the money and easy to use just shame you can't double same effects up on mine. They are a interface too but mine soo much better when run it through my Audient i14 interface |
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Post by dnelson on Jan 20, 2024 12:50:24 GMT
Yeah, I believe it was me who mentioned it  I recently acquired one. I can't compare it to the Line 6 Helix Stomp, never used that. I am however a long-time Zoom user, got various of their units (from the venerable 508 right up to the latest flagship G11). IMHO the Ampero II is really good, although some of the effects are unpolished and not always true to the original. For example some of the amps sound nothing like the original to my ears, and don't have the same controls. Crucially for us in this forum though, the Vox clean amp sims (Voxy 15 TB and Voxy 30HW Norm) are reasonably good & up to the job. Not perfect recreations, but with the turn of a few knobs you can get a decent sound. In terms of support, Ampero does reasonably regular updates, including optimisations and new effects. And the USB recording interface is perfectly fine for a duffer like me, don't need to use a standalone interface. But the real question of course relates to "that sound" -- can you get it from an Ampero II? I've been looking at this, I've got some notes to share, I'll put them in a follow up message. (This info might be of interest to you too Peter, I think you can use the same or equivalent effects/settings on your GP200LT). --Dave |
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Post by dnelson on Jan 20, 2024 14:00:35 GMT
Some notes on getting " that sound" -- starting with the "A" era, "Apache" specifically... Initially three effects, in a chain in this order: - Multitap Echo (Delay)
- Voxy 15 TB (Amp)
- A cab or IR, there are a few to choose from, according to taste.
To get the delay really right, I think you'd want to have multiple delays, set the timings and volumes of each head individually etc. I might do a separate post on that, but for this post I'll give a quick & dirty suggestion (which should also work for the Valeton GP200LT which doesn't offer multiple delays). Use a "Multitap Echo" before the amp, with these basic settings: - Time: 428ms
- Feedback: 0 (no repeats in Apache)
- Mode: 7
There are other settings in the delay that will affect the result, like Mix, Tone, Mod, Gain and Level. Gain and Level in particular will drive the amp differently, and affect the tone. I think there's some interesting tweaking to do in there, but I haven't had time to do it. For the amp, set Volume (i.e. gain) to suit the strength of your pickups, so they're just on the edge of breakup. What you want is a bit of grit when you dig in hard on the strings. Set the Master (i.e. power amp volume) high, but not at 100, since that affects the tone and compression. The tone is the hardest part, and will probably need to be tweaked based on the character of your guitar sound. The approach I used is to set Bass to 0, then adjust Treble and Tone Cut up and down, to find the sweet spot. What this does is to add high end (Treble) but also shave off the tones that are very high (Tone Cut), to bring out the right part of the upper-midrange to match Hank's sound. Finding the right spot is elusive, I spent hours listening and comparing my tone against the original. IMHO this part needs to be as close to "right" as you can get it; fudges and compromises in other areas may escape the listener's attention, but without the core tone you won't sound like Hank. Suggested starting point for a strat with vintage pickups: Voxy 15 TB - Volume: 35 (tweak)
- Tone Cut: 65 (tweak)
- Master: 90
- Bass: 0
- Treble: 20 (tweak)
With the cabinet or IR, you can pick a Celestion Blue or whatever sounds best, adjust the microphone & positioning if it's a cab. The critical thing with the IR/cab I found is to cut out the frequency ranges you don't want. Looking at the frequency response of the Celestion Blue, we can see that it rolls off below 100Hz and above around 4000Hz. - Low Cut: 100Hz
- Hi Cut: 4000Hz
That's what I've got so far, and it's just for Apache. Other songs from the early eras will need different treatment I expect. If you get a chance to try these settings, would love to hear any feedback. Oh and I'll try to post a recording later, so you can hear the results. --Dave |
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Post by bikesforme16 on Jan 24, 2024 8:51:20 GMT
Many thanks Dave on sharing your findings with the ampero and will look forward to trying these settings with my valeton gp200lt.
The vox amps you have in it are in my unit too and I have been using celestion blue IR cutting low frequency to 100 and highs to 7000 so will drop that to 4000.
I use a Yamaha magic stomp with Charlies patches in the effects loop but be interesting to see if can get close without it.
Do you use any compression or reverb with it, I mainly like playing covers done in a Shadows way, not been playing too long so have a lot to learn.
I been learning Theme for young lovers which sounds ok but the palm mutting section I find very hard when using my valeton.
I also have a small vox ac4c1bl which I upgraded the tubes for Watford retro valve kit and replaced the vox 10inch speaker with celestion 10inch alnico gold and find the palm mutting so much better using that.
I seem to be using the small vox more often now but will definitely go and try your settings with the valeton.
Where do you get all your information from on what settings for which songs has a fairly new player and just getting into the shadows I never know what pedals and amp settings I need for each song.
I need to buy a book with it all in lol.many thanks Peter
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I recently acquired one.