Post by Kevin on Oct 28, 2008 23:29:18 GMT
From: MSN Nicknameemiel1948 (Original Message) Sent: 15/03/2008 13:20
Hi All,
Am I right if I think that the interest for Kinman Pup's'is fading?
All I read is Tone rider, Fender 54's, Fender 57/62's etc.
Back to the pure sound?
I never had Kinman's because I felt them not lifely enough. I use Dimarzio FS1's and Fender 57/62's.
Ordered recently the Tonerider Pure Vintage, so I am curious.
Cheers,
Emiel
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From: MSN NicknameAlan_McKillop Sent: 15/03/2008 14:30
I'm not sure that Kinmans were ever a favoured choice by many, yes we (me included) have tried them but the FV's were great for Hank's modern sound but the CV's were a disappointment.
I gave them up for CS 54's which I've had on several guitars for some years now, but they sound best on my Californian strat with a rosewood neck. As some people have suggested, they are bright, but I've simply lowered the pick up height and think they are great.
I bought a Classic Player 60's strat which came with CS 69's, but I don't think they do it for Shadows lead playing, they're powerful and have some wonderful mid selection tones, very good in their own right, but don't do anything for me.
In the last couple of weeks, I acquired a Classic Player 50's strat fitted with 57/62's and they are also very good, slightly more rounded in sound to the CS 54's, but will do the biz for Shadows style playing. The 50's strat has a maple neck, which I think compliments the 57/62's and all the bodies of my three main strats are Alder, so that might help the sound/tone as I know a lot of people are talking about how the various woods can affect the tonal qualities.
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From: Charlie Hall Sent: 15/03/2008 15:17
I think the current trend shows that the traditional built pickups (but not necessarily every traditional pickup Fender and others have made as some have been very bad!) give the sound that most players want whether they realise it or not (depending on the pickup model and the tunes played) and that the Kinmans were probably thought to be needed mainly because Hank likes them.
I have heard Hank playing a 50's reissue Strat for a whole afternoon (it didn't even have the trem arm fitted) and I liked the sound better than he has with his own guitars. The sound I heard that afternoon is the sound I can identify with traditional pickups in general. This was before Hank was using Kinmans.
I have only briefly played 3 Strats with Kinmans, on different occasions. One had the vintage style ones that I assume are the same ones Alan mentioned and while the clarity was there, the sound was missing the character that I was wanting to hear. Another had Hank's set and the sound was warm and round (I wouldn't say fatter sounding but maybe some would) with a clear high end, almost HiFi, and again the character was missing. The last was one of Hank's just before the first Shadows final tour, when I was testing echoes in his absense. Again, (apart from the action being too high for me) I couldn't have ever felt comfortable with the sound. For those that like a lower action, you would wonder how Hank gets his sound if you tried the one I played. It proved to me that his sound is in his fingers.
To be fair, I have not tried the more recent Kinman models. Nor have I tried any of his pickups for guitars other than Strats. I suspect that the newer models came out because of comments similar to mine about the older models. Maybe I would like the newer ones better, but I'm happy sticking with traditional types and they cost less. I rarely have problems with hum and noise and to be honest, hum and noise rejection seems to me to be the strongest selling point of Kinmans.
Regards,
Charlie
Hi All,
Am I right if I think that the interest for Kinman Pup's'is fading?
All I read is Tone rider, Fender 54's, Fender 57/62's etc.
Back to the pure sound?
I never had Kinman's because I felt them not lifely enough. I use Dimarzio FS1's and Fender 57/62's.
Ordered recently the Tonerider Pure Vintage, so I am curious.
Cheers,
Emiel
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From: MSN NicknameAlan_McKillop Sent: 15/03/2008 14:30
I'm not sure that Kinmans were ever a favoured choice by many, yes we (me included) have tried them but the FV's were great for Hank's modern sound but the CV's were a disappointment.
I gave them up for CS 54's which I've had on several guitars for some years now, but they sound best on my Californian strat with a rosewood neck. As some people have suggested, they are bright, but I've simply lowered the pick up height and think they are great.
I bought a Classic Player 60's strat which came with CS 69's, but I don't think they do it for Shadows lead playing, they're powerful and have some wonderful mid selection tones, very good in their own right, but don't do anything for me.
In the last couple of weeks, I acquired a Classic Player 50's strat fitted with 57/62's and they are also very good, slightly more rounded in sound to the CS 54's, but will do the biz for Shadows style playing. The 50's strat has a maple neck, which I think compliments the 57/62's and all the bodies of my three main strats are Alder, so that might help the sound/tone as I know a lot of people are talking about how the various woods can affect the tonal qualities.
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From: Charlie Hall Sent: 15/03/2008 15:17
I think the current trend shows that the traditional built pickups (but not necessarily every traditional pickup Fender and others have made as some have been very bad!) give the sound that most players want whether they realise it or not (depending on the pickup model and the tunes played) and that the Kinmans were probably thought to be needed mainly because Hank likes them.
I have heard Hank playing a 50's reissue Strat for a whole afternoon (it didn't even have the trem arm fitted) and I liked the sound better than he has with his own guitars. The sound I heard that afternoon is the sound I can identify with traditional pickups in general. This was before Hank was using Kinmans.
I have only briefly played 3 Strats with Kinmans, on different occasions. One had the vintage style ones that I assume are the same ones Alan mentioned and while the clarity was there, the sound was missing the character that I was wanting to hear. Another had Hank's set and the sound was warm and round (I wouldn't say fatter sounding but maybe some would) with a clear high end, almost HiFi, and again the character was missing. The last was one of Hank's just before the first Shadows final tour, when I was testing echoes in his absense. Again, (apart from the action being too high for me) I couldn't have ever felt comfortable with the sound. For those that like a lower action, you would wonder how Hank gets his sound if you tried the one I played. It proved to me that his sound is in his fingers.
To be fair, I have not tried the more recent Kinman models. Nor have I tried any of his pickups for guitars other than Strats. I suspect that the newer models came out because of comments similar to mine about the older models. Maybe I would like the newer ones better, but I'm happy sticking with traditional types and they cost less. I rarely have problems with hum and noise and to be honest, hum and noise rejection seems to me to be the strongest selling point of Kinmans.
Regards,
Charlie