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Post by cainy on Apr 20, 2010 2:17:04 GMT
Hi all, I want to buy some kind of stomp box or pedal that will give me lot's of sustain, I want my notes to just go on and on controlled by a potentiometer, can anybody tell me what kind of thing I'm after please, it's not for Shadows stuff, more for Pink Floyd and Gilmour numbers, many thanks for any help, Brian.
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Post by Charlie Hall on Apr 20, 2010 2:30:41 GMT
Hi Brian,
You want a compressor pedal. There are lots to choose from. They all work in a similar way but at the same time they all sound slightly different in the way they work so it's best to try a few out or look back some of the threads here that discuss them to get more ideas.
Regards,
Charlie
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Post by bill on Apr 20, 2010 7:29:55 GMT
Hi Brian,
I believe that Dave Gilmour uses or used a Boss CS-2 and a Pete Cornish sustainer as well or instead of for some numbers.
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Post by ha2he on Apr 20, 2010 8:55:48 GMT
Hi Brian,
As already mentioned Dave Gilmour uses a Boss CS2, no doubt he has also used others but the CS2 I think is the main one.
I've got one of these which is excellent for the clean sounds such as the intro to Shine On You Crazy Diamond.
For the sound more like the lead parts for Comfortably Numb he uses a Big Muff, combined with other effects, I have never used one of these but I did build a clone from Build Your Own Clone (B.Y.O.C.) called a Large beaver which is very good and has loads of sustain. I run a clean boost into the Large Beaver and it will sustain for ages.
Hope this helps,
Regards,
Tim.
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Post by sheendigs on Apr 20, 2010 11:16:28 GMT
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Post by graeme on Apr 20, 2010 14:24:18 GMT
If you want infinite sustain, then a compressor is not the answer - you need something lke a Fernandes or the Sustainiac device. Bear in mind, you will need to hack the guitar about a bit to fit one of these. Alternatively, buy a another instrument that has already been fitted out. Among others, I have a Fernandes with a factory fitted sustainer and it's quite nice instrument, although I have to confess I rarely have a use for the sustainer  . Another possible solution would be an eBow - www.ebow.com/home.php - which you can use with any instrument without modifying it. |
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Post by tonybiker on Apr 20, 2010 18:51:44 GMT
Brian.
The sustainer units are not what you are looking for, these are for single notes for an effect, they are not designed for multi picked notes. They really are a gimmick to show off on stage etc, Steve Vai uses one. You have a switch that you have to keep turning on and off. You also need to chop your guitar to bits. Consider this carefully otherwise it could be an expensive error for you.
There are loads of pedals about that will give you a good sustained sound. An ebow as suggested is a great device but again its not something you use for a full song/tune. Charlie is correct with compression, add overdrive to taste and delay and its amazing how easy it is to get that sustained sound. This demo was done with a Squire, Zoom 508, a Line 6 Pod 2 and a load of trem work.
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Post by sheendigs on Apr 20, 2010 21:33:25 GMT
It seems that the Fernandes Guitar sustainer can sustain on single guitar strings as well as chords.. www.kellyindustries.com/guitars/fernandes_sustainer_kit.htmlInteresting article...Infinite Sustain or Harmonic Sustain mode is explained there.. It seems by reading an article for the Sustainiac that one pickup becomes the gizmo that gives the sustain and when switched off...it remains a normal pickup and it can be fitted in a Stratocaster without too much modification.. Mode Selection
Sustained string vibration can be "morphed" into different cool-sounding harmonic modes. This enhances your solos in ways that were not previously possible. You get all 3 modes (see below) whether you choose the standard push-pull control, or the 3-position toggle control. The push-pull control option allows the same control to serve as a sustain intensity control, and also produce all 3 harmonic modes. With the 3-position toggle option, you can add an optional sustain intensity control pot (new feature with the Stealth PRO).
Normal Mode: Sustained string vibrations occur in the "normal" way that you get when you pluck a note. The technical term for this is the fundamental vibration mode, or 1st harmonic. For the PUSH-PULL control, it is pushed in, and rotated full clockwise. Also some info on different modes:
Harmonic mode: All sustained notes morph into a high harmonic vibration mode. It will usually be a 5th or 7th harmonic. For the PUSH-PULL control, it is pushed in, and rotated full counter-clockwise.
Mix mode: This is actually a second harmonic mode, with a different set of harmonics. We call it MIX mode because some frets yield fundamentals, while others yield harmonics. Notes below the 12th fret will mostly morph into 2nd or 3rd harmonics. Above the 12th fret on the little e or b strings, most notes will stay as fundamentals in Mix mode. For the PUSH-PULL control, it is pulled out, and rotated full clockwise. I have not tested those not having a sustainiac on hand..but it would be interesting to hear those.. Sheendigs |
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Post by cainy on Apr 21, 2010 1:36:16 GMT
Hi all, wow, many thanks for the replies, you have given me plenty to think about and made me realise how out of touch I have become, I do have a "Big Muff" by EH, but want a clean sound, I will listen to the Boss CS-2 and hope this is what I want, I really do not want to have to modify my guitar as it is a very good 1954 re-issue and would hate to give it the chop, but many thanks to all who put me onto those sustainers, I already have a Whammy pedal and play Gilmours "Marooned" and the solo from "The Blue" but his notes keep going and mine do not and it's not just down to volume, once again, many thanks to all, Brian.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2010 3:24:26 GMT
HI ALL ,I like david gilmore's playing [cannot do it myself] but david is a master of using effect's live & there is more to his effect's than a pedal compressor ! & the use of echo is one thing he uses to great advantage , his guitar's are not fitted with sustain effect's & the better sounding strat IMOP & his [interview] is his red ''EMG-active- p/up's with the ''EXG'' board [mid adding ]..
In his new ''island-dvd'' he uses a differing pedal line-up than previously ,I pedal is newer roland twin pedal delay unit.. & he, uses a ''hold-function'' at times that he can play on top-of.. etc ,IT is easier to get sustain with fuzz etc & good use of echo ,& or the synth type effect's !!
A great player indeed..is david...
CHEERS ALL,,,,, barry..
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Post by graeme on Apr 21, 2010 3:34:35 GMT
I have not tested those not having a sustainiac on hand..but it would be interesting to hear those.. I own a Fernandes guitar, with built in sustainer and I have played a guitar fitted with a Sustainiac. Personally, I don't think there is much to choose between them, which is hardly suprising, since they both work on the same principle. I've heard the Sustainiac is easier to after-fit, but I can't say whether this is true or not, my Fernandes was original, factory fitted. If there is anything that I really don't lke about the Fernandes (and the same is true of the Sustainiac, since they are very similar in concept) it's the fact that the neck pickup is used as a driver when in sustain mode. Since I tend to use the neck pickup almost all the time, this means there is an inevitable change of tone when I turn the sustain on. |
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Post by sheendigs on Apr 21, 2010 9:52:20 GMT
The info comes from the Sustaniac site: The driver usually replaces your neck pickup. (In some applications, it can replace the bridge pickup. For instance, a lot of Strat players depend mostly on their neck pickup. In this case, you must mount the bridge-position driver so that it no longer is slanted.) It can not replace a middle pickup in a 3-pickup guitar, however. It will be too close to the other pickups, and the sustainer performance will be severely affected. We need 3 inches MINIMUM spacing between bridge pickup and Sustainiac driver (measured center-to-center). 3.5 inches is even better. The driver emits electromagnetic pulsations in response to the instrument string vibrations. These electromagnetic pulses cause the string vibrations to sustain by magnetic force.Interesting to know..  I guess I will have to install one kit on a guitar and test it. Sheendigs |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2010 10:17:16 GMT
Hi I Use a Boss Compressor. CS 3
Good unit and can recommend it.
All the best
George.
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Post by graeme on Apr 21, 2010 15:05:32 GMT
The info comes from the Sustaniac site: The driver usually replaces your neck pickup. (In some applications, it can replace the bridge pickup. For instance, a lot of Strat players depend mostly on their neck pickup. In this case, you must mount the bridge-position driver so that it no longer is slanted.)Yes - my last post (now corrected) did say bridge, where I meant to say neck. The Sustainiac I played had the driver fitted in the neck position - the same as my Fernandes - and performed in pretty much the same way. I wasn't aware that fitting in the bridge position was an opition, that might suit me better. |
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Post by sheendigs on Apr 21, 2010 20:02:49 GMT
Hi Guys I contacted Scott the master of PAIA documentation these days..I think he used to work for PAIA. He kindly posted the Infinity Plus as I remembered. Only one control and the infinity symbol on the box from the eighties.. ;D Please click on the link to read about it...seemed to have been a great device. www.paia.com/talk/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=203Have fun!  Sheendigs |
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Post by graeme on Apr 22, 2010 7:41:02 GMT
Please click on the link to read about it...seemed to have been a great device. Seems to me to be little more than compresser using optical control (a little like the Joe Meek devices). Unlike some of the other units discussed here - and not withstanding the infinity symbol - it would be incapable of providing infinite sustain. |
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Post by shadfan4 on Apr 26, 2010 2:06:46 GMT
Has anyone thought about the way Gary Moore does it? A great big Marshall stack, a top notch Les Paul, and with the Marshall cranked up, walk around the stage until you find the "sweet spot" and sustain goes on forever and ever and ever................................................................ ;D
Mike.
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Post by shawbridge on Apr 26, 2010 12:49:29 GMT
A good way of finding the feedback spot was before the gig in soundcheck and once found get someone to put gaffer tape in a square around you.
Then when it comes to the gig stand in the spot which is a boon when wanting to hold that note on Parisiene walkways, i guess it is old hat really but it works and keeps the stage presentation tidy.
cheers
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