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Post by rosemary on Jul 2, 2011 10:29:54 GMT
This will sound very strange from an absolutely devoted Shadows fan like me but sometimes the echo and sound in some of the early numbers reminds me of the clang of the old metal (steel?) garbage cans except the result the Shadows produced is very musical without the overtones and discords. I can't really explain it except their sound just seemed very metallic and powerful. Pure magic!
Best wishes
Rosemary
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Post by rogerbayliss on Jul 2, 2011 12:39:45 GMT
That's a very convincing Shindig Charlie. I think it is a little brighter than the original and the recording techniques/gear of the day probably contributed to the final sound. Your work in this field is the stuff of legend now.
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Post by Jono on Jul 2, 2011 18:37:13 GMT
Hi Charlie
I would like to echo (ha.ha) what Roger Bayliss says above and that Hall & Collins is a classy name for it and are we any closer to be able to purchase it?.
With Much Respects
Jono
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Post by Charlie Hall on Jul 3, 2011 2:22:05 GMT
Hi Barry,
I have to agree, Hall & Collins does sound pretty good. Even if it is given a proper name, which I think it will have to have, I wouldn't be surprised if this echo will be forever known unofficially as the Hall & Collins Echo!
Hi Alan,
I am certain that Abbey Road had a lot to do with it. Much of it was necessary to get a good recorded sound for technical reasons, including compression for cutting to disc. At the same time, I think a good live sound is also possible with minimal gear, it's just a case of having the right combination of playing style and equipment.
Hi Chris,
Thanks for your comments. Theme For Young Lovers is possible as I know how to play it, but not sure if I should use a double tracking effect as heard on parts of the original. On one hand we all want to hear what the unit can do for the player without adding too many tricks, but on the other hand we want to hear close copies of the original recordings.
Hi Rosemary,
While I'm not sure exactly which recordings you are talking about, I think I know what you mean by the clanging sounds. As far as the guitar sound goes, Hank was always pretty cute at getting the best results out of any gear he used. I've seen him pick up a 54 Strat that was brand new out of the box, the tremolo arm was missing and even if it hadn't been, the bridge wasn't set up floating anyway, yet he played that guitar all afternoon when I was setting up echoes for the 1997 tour, and it sounded fantastic. I don't think he even touched the controls on his amp before starting.
Hi Roger,
I'm sure you're right about the recording techniques and equipment of the day. My aim here is mainly to show what the echo unit can do with relying too much on recording tricks/techniques, which is pretty easy to do these days of course.
Hi Jono,
Thanks for your comments. I suppose every day brings up a day nearer, but there won't be much happening for a couple of weeks as John is on holiday. That's why I'm concentrating on doing some demo recordings right now. That in itself might help me to identify any further changes that might be needed.
Regards,
Charlie
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Post by noelford on Jul 3, 2011 7:21:04 GMT
Hi Charlie, I was itching to try out Sweet dreams on the pedal but no backing track was available Peter Peter, if only you'd asked me, I had that BT with me, and I was set up right next to Charlie! |
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Post by rosemary on Jul 3, 2011 11:08:36 GMT
Hi Charlie Some examples with that wonderful 'clanging' sound are the original recordings of 'Wonderful Land' after the intro and 'The Savage' but as you mention it's probably all to do with Hank's magical touch.  Best wishes Rosemary |
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Post by alanmckillop on Jul 3, 2011 16:40:41 GMT
Excellent.
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Post by bor64 on Jul 3, 2011 22:22:16 GMT
Charlie, great sound and playing as always!!!Even Anja turned her head and said....sounds like Hank  I vote for Trail of Tears as in the way you did years ago for a guitar magazine..... ;D But i settle for W.land  Groetjes Rob |
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Post by noelford on Jul 4, 2011 10:21:54 GMT
Given the 'debate' that the announcement of Charlie's unit caused on the ShadMusic forum, does anyone think it's worth posting about these demos on there?
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Post by didier on Jul 4, 2011 17:17:30 GMT
Can't wait to hear Wonderful Land & Peace Pipe. So do I, although the result is good, Shindig isn't the most typical tune for "that sound". Didier |
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Post by john44 on Jul 5, 2011 5:35:51 GMT
Hi Charlie
Its really coming together so well and your playing is at the excellent standard we have come to expect and accept from you
I actually liked the mistake and played it over several times I reckon you should make it a permenent part
Cheers John44
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Post by brian on Jul 5, 2011 10:52:45 GMT
Hi Charlie, just played your version and the shadows version on utube
the only difference in my opinion is that your version is cleaner and brighter
i look forward to more.regards Brian
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Post by Mark Burton on Jul 5, 2011 12:04:14 GMT
Charlie
Top job - sounds fantastic any excellently played - you have no worries on those 10's - the sound you're getting is great !!!
Mark.
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Post by Scotocaster on Jul 5, 2011 16:31:17 GMT
Hi Charlie, was wondering how the new unit will be accessed for patches... numerically or alpabetically?, for instance if i wanted say Wonderful Land then The Savage, would i be able to access them direct or have to scroll till that patch comes up?. have a great day. Scott
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Post by shawbridge on Jul 5, 2011 17:20:30 GMT
Hi Noel,
I had no idea, it was at a point were Geoff was running backing tracks through his practise amp but he didn't have sweet dreams it was all spontanious at the time.
thanks very nuch just tghe same, apreciated.
cheers
Peter
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Post by rjanuarsa on Jul 5, 2011 22:55:51 GMT
This one is spot on Charlie! I like that the dry signal is very much present while I can still hear the echo in the background. just like a tape echo!
Regards,
Robby
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Post by colljaw on Jul 5, 2011 23:04:19 GMT
Hi Charlie, well played with a great sound. The tone and echo are excellent and I look forward to hearing more demos.
Regards, Jim
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Post by John Collins on Jul 6, 2011 0:49:41 GMT
I feel a bit guilty - Charlie is working hard at present making demo recordings, while I am away on holiday! ;D I am only able to download and listen to the recordings on a notebook PC. Still, they very soung good, and Charlie's playing is excellent. I had been thinking of making a demo myself, through the other prototype which I have in Australia, but my playing is not up to charlie's standard  Maybe I'll pracice a bit more first......... Scott, just to answer your question about accessing the patches - they are stored numerically from 1 to 64, and you scroll through them with the up or down footswitches. Holding either footswitch down produces fast scrolling. John |
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Post by Charlie Hall on Jul 6, 2011 3:12:02 GMT
Thanks to all who have commented since my last post.
To answer comments about my version being brighter than the original, I don't think it is to do with high end, mine has a bit more attack in the upper mids. I think if Hank had used the original maple neck Strat it might have sounded more like mine. I didn't try to get my version closer to the original as I don't think a simple EQ change would have worked. I'm not clever enough to change the attack at different frequencies.
I also removed some noise from the backing track, although I didn't change the EQ. I guess this contributed to the overall cleaner sound.
Hi Rosemary,
You must mean the echo repeats then! My aim is to get exactly the same sounds.
Hi Rob,
I could do the new version of Trail Of Tears (it didn't have a name when it was recorded for the magazine) at some point, but I think I'd rather do Wonderful Land as soon as I can get my other Strat fitted with heavier strings.
Hi Noel,
I don't think I want to bother anyone at Shadow Music. In any case, I'm not able to answer there, so let them respond here if they want to.
Hi Didier,
Shindig was recorded using the Echomatic 2 so I thought it was worth doing as I was able to get fairly close to the original sound.
Hi Scott,
The patches are in numerical order. At the moment the patches for Wonderful Land and The Savage/Kontiki are next to each other.
Hi Robby,
I know what you mean about the tape echo sound. However the Echomatic 2 was a drum echo and not a tape echo. The wow and flutter is different.
Regards,
Charlie
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Post by Scotocaster on Jul 6, 2011 5:20:28 GMT
Tnx John and Charlie, for the reply to my question. Looking forward to your Wonderful Land demo Charlie. Have a great day.
Scott
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Post by strat197 on Jul 6, 2011 18:49:03 GMT
Hi Charlie -
In reality, I thought my Q2 was the best thing since sliced Warburtons ..but listening to the new echo...im froffing at the mouth whilst the wife is thinking of the ££££ it will cost!
Still you better count me in ....and please do wonderful land next...my most fav shads all time.
Great playing too Charlie ...exceptional !!
Regards Tony
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Post by Charlie Hall on Jul 7, 2011 20:12:17 GMT
Hi Scott and Tony,
Thanks for your comments.
I have got round to fitting Gibson L5 strings in 12s (with a wound 3rd) to my other replica Strat (the blue one). Since that guitar was built I have also fitted a different scratchplate assembly which supposedly came from a 56NOS Strat. The sound is encouraging, and I am experimenting with different picks at the moment (lots more possible variations in attack response with these strings and pick types), so I will be trying to record Wonderful Land fairly soon. My aim is to get the Abbey Road recording sound (or the hit version without orchestra). I don't think the echo will be a problem, but I think getting the EQ and the recording sounding right could be the hardest part.
Regards,
Charlie
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Post by istvan on Sept 21, 2011 7:55:58 GMT
Is not Hank?Super!
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Maybe I'll pracice a bit more first.........