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Post by GeorgeII on Mar 12, 2015 19:20:28 GMT
Hi Tonino,
Very kind!...bud at moment I'm pleased with my Amdek Eq, I can manage gain over my Lehle (+ finetiuning EQ)...thank's again...
Cheers , Gerd
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Post by ha2he on Mar 13, 2015 16:35:45 GMT
Hi Gary Must agree not a cheap option but very well built and a lovely sound. Out of interest I tried a set of Harma Retro valves from Watford valves and I must say I like them. There was absolutely nothing wrong with the ones in it, but these add something to it. I think the drive channel can sound very Marshally if that makes sense, and the clean can sound Voxy. I use similar settings to you but:- Vol 5 Bass 2 Tone 5-7 Bright OFF I go into the Hi input of the amp. Will try the Lo later. Do you leave your bright OFF? How do you rate the Tech 21 for recording? Sorry Steve for moving this OT. Regards, Tim. EDIT:- With the addition of the Caline EQ it's closer to the recorded versions. (Phew... back on topic
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Post by garystrat on Mar 13, 2015 18:53:44 GMT
Hi Tim Thats interesting information on valves, but at the moment I'm very pleased with the sound and little reticent to change them without good reason. As you say we are pretty much in the same area on settings, on mine the bright is off. I haven't really done any direct recordings from the amp at present due to my preferring monitor speakers to headphones, but I do have an Apogee Duet Audio Interface and Shure SM 57, I intend to try this out at some point soon. For recording I have tried many pedals and VST plug-in's for amp emulations, I have had the Tech 21 for about 3/4 years now and always seem to come back to it. Whilst this is still the case. I'm very impressed with the Positive Grid's BIAS Desktop plug-in: www.positivegrid.com/bias-desktop/Many people have reported very good results with the Joyo AC pedal, which is a much cheaper Chinese clone. I've not tried one of these, but think I would still still go for the Tech 21. It has switchable speaker simulation (Alnico Bulldog type Speaker) and is specifically designed as a Pre-Amp and DI pedal. Interestingly, Tech 21 recommend putting the pedal before the echo and it does seem to work better in this configuration. My apologies to Steve too if we have strayed too far from the original topic, extremely well done though for starting up a very interesting thread! Regards Gary
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Post by Steve Reynolds on Mar 13, 2015 18:56:02 GMT
Hi all no problem at all it's all relevant to those of us chasing that sound
Last weekend I visited a friend who uses a boss ge10 and after some extensive comparison testing I'm delighted to say they are exactly the same sound etc and obviously much cheaper and plentiful
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Post by ha2he on Mar 13, 2015 23:11:50 GMT
Hi Steve & All,
It's nice to know the Caline is the same as the Boss and can get the same results.
Chasing "That sound":- Apache, Wonderful Land, Kon Tiki etc. started this thread off.
Am I hearing what you are hearing? My stereo/i-thing/Amp etc etc is no doubt different to yours and that is my starting point which is different to yours. Then of course there are my ears... younger/older/damaged etc... This is beyond me but I guess some sort of frequency analiser is required to assess what we are actually listening to, which is different to what we (as individuals) are hearing. It would be an interesting experiment to gather several players using the same equipment and ask them to set up for 'X' and listen to the results.
Regards,
Tim.
P.S. Gary... Will pick up on your reply later...
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Post by ha2he on Mar 19, 2015 10:52:38 GMT
Hi Gary,
Have sent you a P.M. So as not to totally hijack this thread.
Regards. Tim.
P.S. Anyone else having a go with this eq pedal, if so what do you think. I'm enjoying it and the results are good.
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Post by rogerbayliss on Mar 19, 2015 23:19:34 GMT
Hi Tim Thats interesting information on valves, but at the moment I'm very pleased with the sound and little reticent to change them without good reason. As you say we are pretty much in the same area on settings, on mine the bright is off. I haven't really done any direct recordings from the amp at present due to my preferring monitor speakers to headphones, but I do have an Apogee Duet Audio Interface and Shure SM 57, I intend to try this out at some point soon. For recording I have tried many pedals and VST plug-in's for amp emulations, I have had the Tech 21 for about 3/4 years now and always seem to come back to it. Whilst this is still the case. I'm very impressed with the Positive Grid's BIAS Desktop plug-in: www.positivegrid.com/bias-desktop/Many people have reported very good results with the Joyo AC pedal, which is a much cheaper Chinese clone. I've not tried one of these, but think I would still still go for the Tech 21. It has switchable speaker simulation (Alnico Bulldog type Speaker) and is specifically designed as a Pre-Amp and DI pedal. Interestingly, Tech 21 recommend putting the pedal before the echo and it does seem to work better in this configuration. My apologies to Steve too if we have strayed too far from the original topic, extremely well done though for starting up a very interesting thread! Regards Gary I used the Joyo AC Tone with eTapHW2 and Caline EQ a few times into PA and the results were very good by the way.
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Post by GeorgeII on Mar 22, 2015 12:56:26 GMT
Hi, For all working with plugins, there's a EQ with the same spec's Like the Boss GE-10... I get very good results with this ... www.plugandmix.com/ambiosoniq-745/Cheers, Gerd
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Post by mojolomjl on Mar 24, 2015 11:14:17 GMT
hello, for the Boss GE-10 users: put the guitarcable first into the equalizer, then from the EQ to the echo otherwise you can get problems with your sound. for the MXR and the Caline: I dont know, I dont have them, so I cannot test them. cheers, tonio Thanks for that tip Tonio. I had my guitar connected to my Magicstomp first and after a few minutes playing the volume started to drop quite low so I switched of and have not used it since. Will reconnect as you have suggested. Best regards, Maurice.
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Post by sandytuck on Mar 25, 2015 0:11:07 GMT
Hi Tonio, I have been plugging the guitar into my vox tape echo, from there to a reverb unit with a little reverb then into the boss EQ then the Amp or my Interface to Cubase etc. I will try your arrangement and see if there is a difference. Thanks for your info. Regards Les.
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Post by carlos65 on Mar 25, 2015 11:35:05 GMT
Hi
I plug my guitar into my volume pedal then in to Etap 2 pedal then into 1 Magicstomp then into second Magicstomp then into Caline EQ then in to my amp this seems to work very well.
Cheers Carlos
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Post by Steve Reynolds on Mar 25, 2015 22:52:15 GMT
Hi Carlos, forgive me im just curious why you use an Etap and 2 Magicstomps?
With regards to where the EQ should sit, I always go guitar into echo machine, then EQ then amp and it works fine for me.
I tried a friends magicstomp last night at our rehearsal as the Meazzi didn't want to go out in the cold. I was quite blown away with how well the magicstomp responded with the EQ pedal aswell, I had to use slightly altered settings but my sound is the closest ive ever been to that elusive sound.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2015 5:55:44 GMT
hello,,, I'm not sure I understand the point of first to go into the BOSS GE-10. Grateful for an explanation.
A few of the advantages of vintage model Boss GE-10; Very sturdy and I appreciate the large sliders. Hefty 2 kilos, solid as a rock!
Me and Ronnie Gustafsson meet several times a week to play together and we have the exact same gear and the same setup. Our early sixties AC30 has the same "Pistolesi" EF86 preamp.
We are also modifying our Vox Long Tom echoes. An interesting task to take on. Provides some more options in our audio arsenal. And here we've got a lot of help by Björn Andersson lead guitarist in Moonriders.
Cheers //Rolf
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Post by carlos65 on Mar 26, 2015 12:36:55 GMT
Hi Steve
The reason I use the three pedals is because certain songs sound better on them, The Etap 2 pedal for instance gives a better Apache. I have one magicstomp with EFTP patches from Charlie and the other as the free Echotapper patches and again some songs sound better on the different magicstomps. But to be honest since I got the Caline EQ I predominately use Charlie's EFTP unit as the sounds from this are pretty much spot on with EQ. I am waiting for Charlie's new unit to be released that will probably make these pedals redundant.
Regards
Carlos
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Post by Steve Reynolds on Mar 26, 2015 17:47:46 GMT
Hi Carlos
That makes sense now, for a moment i thought you were using all three at the same time. Glad the eq is working for you, I'm blown away by mine, wish id found it sooner before spending lots of money on bits of kit
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Post by zager on Mar 26, 2015 18:20:34 GMT
I did a recording here a while back with just Guitar-Magicstomp-EFTP and a Boss eq pedal.I was curious as to how it would sound on its own without an amp. It turned out better than expected but you do have to use an eq pedal if you want to get a bit closer to the sound.Both the boss GE-10 and Magicstomp are great pedals.Regards Tony
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Post by ha2he on Mar 27, 2015 21:48:24 GMT
Hi Charlie & Friends,
I'm assuming that on most if not all original Shadows recordings we are moving closer to replicate with different means it would have been done like this:-
Hank -> Guitar -> Echo -> Amp -> Mic -> Tape.
Then additional studio magic (whatever that may have been) performed on that recording and transferred back to tape.
This little EQ is getting me closer to the original (recorded version), which is satisfying, and something which I was not chasing but I am finding fun.
I am trying out Apache, and if nothing else I am listening to it more and really appreciating the playing on it.
Regards, Tim.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2015 13:48:22 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2015 8:53:45 GMT
hello Rolf, Very nice playing and sound, to bad that the muted part is not original, on this track is that very important. can you not get that with the long tom ?? Let me know, regards, tonio Hi Tonio The answer to your question is probably not referring to that Hank used a Meazzi. One must keep in mind that Meazzi and Vox Long Tom are two different products. I added my videos as a small portion of this thread because of that I use Vox Long Tom, and a GE-10 for those who may be interested. The Long Tom that I use in the clip is completely original. However, I have another Vox Long Tom that I have modified. It gives me much more possibilities to set the echo patterns. // Cheers
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Post by fenderibo on Mar 30, 2015 15:57:56 GMT
I have been tempted with an EQ pedal for a while....very interesting, how is the Caline 10 Band EQ on noise? as that's what has always put me off eq pedals.
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Post by geofftiny on Mar 31, 2015 15:04:39 GMT
Have been very interested in this post, and some great thoughts and ideas. On the strength of comments in this thread, I bought one from Bandline (via Amazon)but unfortunately there was a humming noise when it was linked in circuit. Loudest when on, and softer even when off. Playing 56 NOS strat with Kinmans, through Magicstomp into Fender Mustang3 v2, using a Vox set-up amp with compressor. I found minor tone adjustments gave almost identical sound to Caline EQ pedal and without the hum. Shame it didn't meet my expectations, but definately worth a try. Thanks for all the helpful comments and feedback.
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Post by geofftiny on Apr 1, 2015 9:44:30 GMT
Hi Tonio,
I bought the Caline. It made no difference to the hum wherever in the loop the Caline was used. Indeed the hum was still present when only the Caline was plugged into the amp. Cheers, Geoff (hope you're not more confused now :-))
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Post by martyn on Apr 9, 2015 22:57:43 GMT
I just bought a Caline from Bandline and have absolutely no issues with hum, hiss or anything else. Clear as a bell. Interestingly Rolf asked why someone would put the guitar through the EQ first rather than after the echo. I do the same, my logic being that I want to modify the guitar's tone, not just the echoes, so guitar into Caline for it to work its EQ magic on the guitar tone, this modified sound then gets echoed by the M/stomp. Now having thought about this a bit more, I suppose if it went through the M/stomp first, then the sound of the guitar and the echoes would be modified anyway by the subsequent Caline's EQ settings so maybe it doesn't matter which way round we do it? In the studio, the routine would have been guitar-echo-amp and the sound of the amp would be miked through the mixing desk where any subsequent EQ could be carried out by the techies. Again, I wonder if each routine would still bring about identical results. For home recording, we can't add the Caline into the mix after any amp emulation the guitar/echoes are being fed through on the computer so it has to come first or second in the chain anyway, assuming we don't want to use DAW (Garageband or Logic in my case) EQ placed after the amp emulation instead of the Caline/Boss units. For live club playing, the EQ has to go before/after the echo unit and thence to the amp as it's not being recorded or modified by any mixing desk techies. Does any of this make sense or am I just rambling? Cheers, Martyn
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Post by Charlie Hall on Apr 10, 2015 8:14:45 GMT
Hi Martyn, I'll add this. For example, reducing bass before the amp would make the bass less likely to distort first. Removing bass after the amp would probably give a similar result for a clean signal, but for even a slightly overdriven signal the two different methods would give two different results. The same thinking can be extended to other frequency ranges. Regards, Charlie
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Post by philc on Apr 10, 2015 8:18:18 GMT
Martyn, your not rambling your on a fast sprint Phil
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Post by martyn on Apr 10, 2015 9:30:55 GMT
Hi Charlie, That makes perfect sense to me regarding the bass reduction. Would you think guitar to EQ to echo or guitar to echo to EQ will likely produce similar results or can you think of any reason to choose one over the other? Hi Phil, At my age fast anything's not really an option . . .
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Post by carlos65 on Apr 10, 2015 10:07:19 GMT
I go guitar to EQ to echo and this works well for me I have tried it after the echo and although not much difference to my ears EQ first sounds better. I have the Caline EQ and this works great but I took delivery this week of a Boss GE10 and although the Caline is a great pedal the GE10 sounds better a more vintage sound especially for the earlier Shads numbers having said that I find the Caline better for the more modern tunes. I suppose this is all subjective to the individual and we could keep trying to get the accurate sound with this equipment and that equipment and spend a fortune trying, I am fortunate to be able to buy equipment to try and emulate Mr HBM but not everybody is and you can get a very good sound from just a few pieces of kit or just through your PC with software that is available either free or cheap. An example of this would be my Wife who constantly goes on about the amount of equipment I have, I explain that I want the sound to be as authentic as possible so I play Apache and Wonderful land through all the equipment I have to make the sound authentic, I then play them through cheaper alternatives and ask which one sounds best and low and be hold she plums for the cheaper setup baring in mind she did not know which setup I was playing through. All that said I am bursting waiting for the Hall and Collins echo another ear bashing from the wife to come LOL
Carlos
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Post by Charlie Hall on Apr 10, 2015 10:26:33 GMT
Hi Martyn, Bearing in mind that Meazzi and Vox echo units have some bass roll off at the first preamp, it can make some sense to use EQ to reduce bass before the echo. I don't think I would feel the need to do the same at other frequencies, as adding mids and treble is similar to removing bass. Regards, Charlie
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Post by carlos65 on Apr 13, 2015 7:14:22 GMT
Hi Tonio
I found my GE10 on one of the alternatives to the well known auction site I will never use the well known auction site again I haven't used them for over 4 years the worst company I have ever had the misfortune in dealing with. Sorry tonio rant over. I have only had the GE10 about a week and I am completely hooked my wife never sees me lol all I need now to complete my setup is Mr Hall and Collins echo and may be a early vox ac15 or ac30. I currently use a Laney LC15 that's been modified and I do get a great sound from it and would be curious into seeing if a vox makes a difference.
Regards
Carlos
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Post by Charlie Hall on Apr 13, 2015 7:29:39 GMT
I think it's time to remind everyone that the well known auction site does not deserve a mention here as they will not support me with piracy issues, however, I like Carlos' post in reply to Tonio's so I'll leave the references to the site in this thread. I hope that's the last time I see it mentioned here though. Regards, Charlie
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