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Post by philc on Aug 14, 2016 8:16:12 GMT
Yesterday I had a look at another 62 Strat that was up for £5,500, I only had a few minutes to check it out.
A re-finish about twenty five years ago in Fiesta red, aged, but extra aged after all the years, with paint cracking etc. The finish was very grotty looking with a matt look, without another re-finish, it might be possible to 1200 wet & dry, then Tcut, this should bring some life back into it and still keep the aging.
The slab neck has a "thick and wide" profile, laquered "badly" but again it could be polished smooth or even re-laquered. The clay dot's on the rosewood neck had been laquered for some reason? Also some spacing around a few of them giving the impression that they had been tampered with.
The Tremolo plate was not original, (the block seemed to be) and possibly the jack unit, the switch was a five way but the original was in the case, the case was an original 60's Selmer.
The machine heads were Kluson single line and looked original.
The pickguard was duckegg colour, it could or could not be original, I didn't have time to test it, and I also have'nt seen the pickups etc behind it.
There are possibilities to make this guitar good, an interesting project, but not for the asking price, I gave my price, but only after a strip down, I'm waiting for a reply!
Phil
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Post by bor64 on Aug 14, 2016 9:54:17 GMT
Fingers crossed then Phil.... There's a lot going on, on this guitar that is questionable....made me thinking back to the days I rejected fiësta red strats for less as a non original knob or two! Where are the days you could buy a re-spray in f red for 1100-1300 gbp and we didn't because of the paint lol
Cheers Rob
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Post by philc on Aug 14, 2016 11:29:29 GMT
As you say Rob, there a lot that's questionable and I haven't had the lid off yet! There's a lot though that can be righted, the guitar has been for sale now for more than two months, I have also just heard that one of the pickups might be re wound!
Phil
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Post by driftin on Aug 16, 2016 18:54:51 GMT
hiya phil..any news on the strat
regards les
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Post by philc on Aug 17, 2016 7:05:09 GMT
The lid's coming off today (not by me) and I'm expecting some pictures of the innards, also the neck date stamp, my £ offer was rejected, which I sort of expected as the parts alone could be sold for a good price......the parts that are original that is . The guitar is actually identical to the last 62 I bought i.e. Friesta and duck egg pick guard, it was originally sunburst I'm told, it would have been a change to have a different colour, if the paintwork couldn't be tidied up as is, there's the option to get a new colour, anyway let's see what the pictures reveal Phil PS. I actually inquired about a guitar build from Pre cbs guitars, which are made pretty much as the 50's and 60's guitars, warts and all....Richie is the guy's name, I don't know how he gets away with as everything is copied including the neck date and plate stamp to whatever you want!
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Post by Steve Reynolds on Aug 17, 2016 7:54:19 GMT
fingers crossed Phil. reminds me of a sonic blue strat i was offered about 10 years ago. Almost original but couple of little tiny details not right and it was only up for £2000 i think. Sadly i wasnt in a position to do anything about it then but wish i had, it would have been a shrewd investment now.
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Post by philc on Aug 17, 2016 7:57:46 GMT
"IF" only Steve.....so many opportunities back in the past!
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Post by philc on Aug 18, 2016 10:47:33 GMT
The pictures of the innards look good but the guitar was plugged in only to find that the neck pickup was very week, so maybe a dry joint or a re-wind?
Phil
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Post by Charlie Hall on Aug 18, 2016 12:40:17 GMT
Hi Phil, Probably a break or a short in the winding. Regards, Charlie
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Post by philc on Aug 18, 2016 13:47:58 GMT
I had the same with my 63 Charlie, a dry joint where the copper wire was soldered to the pickup base, as you know, a short in the winding itself is another matter!
Phil
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Post by philc on Aug 18, 2016 17:55:55 GMT
Just an update, the guitar's mine, being delivered tomorrow by the owner who actually only lives about six miles away Phil
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Post by Steve Reynolds on Aug 18, 2016 20:49:03 GMT
Fantastic news Phil look forward to pics?
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Post by bor64 on Aug 19, 2016 5:31:06 GMT
Congrats Phil, with your "new" baby! Nice to know a "lost" strat is again rescued and in capable save hands! A trio of slab boards....next one a pre-cbs maple neck perhaps? Going this tempo, your passing me with your collection in a jiffy Looking forwards to see some "clay dot porn" Cheers Rob
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Post by philc on Aug 19, 2016 7:01:25 GMT
Thanks guys, I spoke to owner yesterday, a very nice guy, he bought the guitar about four years ago and has gigged with it, but he has now quit bands, he payed around £8k for it!! He believes it was re painted back in the 60's when the guitar was shipped here and the Fiesta/Hank Marvin thingy was big, but who knows?
Looking at the pictures, I think the cap has been changed as it's rectangular and thickish as opposed to the usual round flat ones, so I will have to look into or possibly change it, as yet I don't know it's value?
Some pics later this afternoon.
Phil
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Post by Charlie Hall on Aug 19, 2016 9:20:54 GMT
Hi Phil, Earlier Strats did apparently have rectangular tone caps. The round brown ceramics came later, although my 62 and both 64s had the round ceramics. All were 0.1uF with the longer lead having a yellow tubing insulation. I believe the 50s ones were the same value of 0.1uF. Try looking for pics of 50s Strat innards to see if your cap looks the same. Regards, Charlie
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Post by Steve Reynolds on Aug 19, 2016 10:20:52 GMT
i often debate with myself about investing in an early strat but i havent seen one for less than £9k for a long time even refinishes etc.
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Post by philc on Aug 19, 2016 10:22:39 GMT
Here's a picture that was sent to me, it is a 0.1uF by the looks of it.
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Post by philc on Aug 19, 2016 10:36:18 GMT
Just checked my book, it's correct for the guitar.
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Post by bor64 on Aug 19, 2016 10:49:45 GMT
58StratCAPHere's a pic of a 58 CAP shhhh I can't tell in who's guitar it's living Which book is that Phil?? Cheers Rob
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Post by philc on Aug 19, 2016 11:07:07 GMT
Rob, it's The Fender Stratocaster by A.R.Duchossoir. Foreward by Mr Clapton.
The cap like all things has no specific dates as the larger flat ones are also on a 62, there's one on my other one.
Phil
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Post by bor64 on Aug 19, 2016 14:26:12 GMT
Hi Phil, I have every published A.R.Duchossoir book (so I did look it up)and the one you revering to, is the darker b/w pic of a 57 plate with the very dark rectangle cap. I've you look closely "your" cap has his wire on it's corners of the long side....the one in the book has the wires halfway both short sides like on the picture I placed a link on my previous reply. The one on the pic is a cap the olie paper did colored brown because of the sweating of the oil... The one in your guitar isn't a pre-cbs one! I've a book from Japan and one from Italy and both books there's a strat pictured in every detail inside and outside. From 1954 onwards every year is pictured and guess what your cap isn't on any pic except on the vintage reissues guitars and the caps are in green and brown. Matter of fact you can still buy this kind of cap as a genuine Fender part for a reissue....and that one is a spitting image of your cap.... oily cap62 caps original and reproHave you checked the pot codes btw? Cheers Rob
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Post by philc on Aug 19, 2016 15:36:45 GMT
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Post by Steve Reynolds on Aug 19, 2016 16:23:09 GMT
now where have i seen a paint finish like that before?? oh yes on 34346 ;-) Looks a beauty Phil i am very envious, any chance of a pic with your other 2 ;-)
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Post by Charlie Hall on Aug 19, 2016 22:04:16 GMT
Hi Phil, Looks like a modern cap to me but at least it's the right value. Regards. Charlie
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Post by philc on Aug 20, 2016 7:18:58 GMT
Hi Char;ie, According to Rob's link it should be 0.5? Steve, here's the pics you asked for, the new 62 1st picture is on the left, also Eric Clapton CS and Chinese Squier with CS 57/62's. The original broken three way switch and two spare tone knobs. Phil
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Post by bor64 on Aug 20, 2016 8:10:49 GMT
Steve,
The body paint looks certainly not as on the 34346 the last 5 times I hold that guitar in my hands....ok there's some damage on the edge were the jack plate is... this paint job has clearly had a freezer treatment to get shrinkage cracks to emulate old age....
Phil,
Great view those beauties!!
Cheers Rob
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Post by Charlie Hall on Aug 20, 2016 10:32:22 GMT
Hi Phil, No, 0.05 was the tone cap for Telecasters. Strats did change 0.047 I think in the mid 70s. Regards, Charlie
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Post by philc on Aug 20, 2016 18:10:13 GMT
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Post by kipper on Aug 20, 2016 21:44:34 GMT
I always understood that loads of early fiesta red strats were sunburst originally but due to demand for fiesta red they were resprayed by the importer. peter
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Post by sandytuck on Aug 20, 2016 23:21:35 GMT
Hi Phil, Looks not to bad a find, something to keep you busy refurbishing and fine tuning. Getting back to caps I see there are companies in USA. manufacturing the old type caps, and a lot of other fender parts for most models www.eddievegas.com has a lot of Vintage gear. Not too sure about vintage caps and reman. Some people say they are very good. cheers Les.
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