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Post by sheendigs on Aug 19, 2015 16:06:44 GMT
Yep
I thought that the demo did not do justice about all sorts of echoes and echo units.
The guy should have done a little more research, today on youtube one can find tons of info.
No galloping echoes explained and sound when one muffles the strings.
I think the Shadow fans will be deceived, because we know much more than that was explained.
SHeeendigs
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Post by ha2he on Aug 19, 2015 16:17:39 GMT
Hi Charlie & Friends,
Owning one and knowing what it is capable of I must say a poor review. Hopefully the written version will be better.
Perhaps a re-take (part 2) review in the presence of a more competent user to fully show what this is about.
Regards,
Tim.
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Post by Charlie Hall on Aug 19, 2015 16:21:57 GMT
I don't think part 2 is likely to happen! It will probably seem a little better when combined with the written review.
Regards,
Charlie
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Post by ha2he on Aug 19, 2015 16:33:31 GMT
It started out well enough talking about Hank Marvin & The Shadows, the machines that it emulates, Charlie & John etc.
Hopefully it will auto link to some better demos of it.
Regards,
Tim.
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Post by sandra on Aug 19, 2015 17:28:38 GMT
I told Paul that people thought that it was a poor demo and he agreed but said that the written part of the review was better and that they gave it 8/10. So maybe when the magazine is out here someone may post a little more about it  |
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Post by istvan on Aug 19, 2015 18:55:53 GMT
Hi!
Again listening with headphones, interesting possibilities open up.
Regards
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Post by Cruachan on Aug 19, 2015 21:17:37 GMT
Hi! Again listening with headphones, interesting possibilities open up. Regards I agree with Istvan. At least there was no attempt to bastardise the unit by over driving the sounds. Indeed, the licks used in the demo sounded pretty good to me and, as an introduction, would certainly pique my curiosity. My guess is that there may be significant numbers of players who are growing weary of the in-your-face type sounds currently dominating the music scene and are yearning for the return of cleaner alternatives to broaden their repertoire. Hopefully, this pedal's undoubted versatility will persuade them to investigate further. Perhaps we are about to witness a welcome shift in musical appreciation as musicians the world over, whether established or aspiring, recognise the enormous potential inherent in the Hall & Collins Signature Echo as it helps them rediscover qualities of sound that have, to a degree, remained repressed for far to long. We at CH&Fs could be at the vanguard of a new era of musical creation and expression. Mike |
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Post by localhero on Aug 19, 2015 23:06:33 GMT
Possibly the worst demonstration I have ever seen. It did no favours whatsoever for the Hall & Collins. He didn't even understand the controls.
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Post by Cruachan on Aug 20, 2015 0:08:06 GMT
Possibly the worst demonstration I have ever seen. He didn't even understand the controls. Isn't that part of the fascination that derives from experimenting with a device which offers so many creative possibilities? I think it is quite possible that 'not understanding the controls' will be a common experience, at least initially. I've owned the unit for a while now and find I have still much to learn. Not understanding how to use the controls didn't put me off the purchase. I was aware of its provenance, excited about all the possibilities and knew I must have one! I think we can agree that not everyone is a devotee of Hank Marvin and The Shadows. Their sound will always be very special to our community and the Hall & Collins Signature Echo has brought us as close as it is possible to be to recreate those wonderful sounds. Doubtless many newcomers to this experience will, in time, find themselves equally entranced and captivated. As to the rest? Well, we know that the unit is capable of so much more and therein lies its strength and potential. More demos of the unit will appear and doubtless there will be some which will attract accolades while others earn our disapproval. However, it has to be said that the one constant to date has been the complete absence of any negativity. We all want to see it succeed as Charlie and John deserve nothing less. They have created something unique and very special and I do believe that quality such as this will always reap rewards. Mike |
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Post by patrice on Aug 20, 2015 14:45:26 GMT
"15 hours ago localhero said: Possibly the worst demonstration I have ever seen. He didn't even understand the controls." I mainly think that this guy: 1) never understood something about the complexity of the Shadows echoes during the Early Years... and worst ! 2) it seems that he don't know any Shadows hits (!!!) of this period... So what kind of "demo" are you able to do in these conditions ?  So don't worry Charlie  because I can say that we have the same in France !!! Regards Patrice |
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Post by bor64 on Aug 20, 2015 14:50:43 GMT
Neville Martin would do a better job and played some shads licks and other stuff...
Cheers Rob
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Post by Charlie Hall on Aug 20, 2015 15:06:56 GMT
Often we don't appreciate a piece of equipment until we find out later on that it was used by someone to good effect. Then we follow that by trying to find out how it was done!
If any kind of potential can be seen from the review, then maybe it will have been of some use to someone.
Regards,
Charlie
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Post by localhero on Aug 20, 2015 18:31:11 GMT
Often we don't appreciate a piece of equipment until we find out later on that it was used by someone to good effect. Then we follow that by trying to find out how it was done! If any kind of potential can be seen from the review, then maybe it will have been of some use to someone. Regards, Charlie But no use to you Charlie and the hard work and research that went into it from you and John. There is no way to dress it up or defend it, as it was pure excrement. I won't be buying the Guitarist issue that it's in and I'm sorry that I bought the September issue that we thought it was in, as that is of no interest to me. I think it's getting past it's sell by date as they keep regurgitating the same old,same old.  |
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Post by Charlie Hall on Aug 20, 2015 19:16:40 GMT
Hi Dave,
I was told it was in the September edition by a local friend who has it on subscription as he had just received it. Has he made a mistake with what he told me?
I didn't think the September edition was out until tomorrow and WH Smith only had the Summer edition on the shelf when I asked about it. If you already have a September edition where did you find it?
I'm really puzzled right now!
Regards,
Charlie
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Post by Kurt Fröberg on Aug 20, 2015 20:25:58 GMT
Hi Dave, I was told it was in the September edition by a local friend who has it on subscription as he had just received it. Has he made a mistake with what he told me? I didn't think the September edition was out until tomorrow and WH Smith only had the Summer edition on the shelf when I asked about it. If you already have a September edition where did you find it? I'm really puzzled right now! Regards, Charlie Hi Charlie, The September edition and the Summer edition are the same! Kurt |
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Post by Charlie Hall on Aug 20, 2015 20:29:29 GMT
Hi Kurt,
Thank you! I had no idea. I will go to WH Smith tomorrow to see what they have.
Regards,
Charlie
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Post by DaveC on Aug 20, 2015 21:29:10 GMT
Hi Charlie,
The Summer Issue (397) has been out for a few weeks. The September Issue (398) arrived in W. H. Smiths today -- Thursday 20th.
Regards,
DaveC
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Post by andyj47 on Aug 20, 2015 21:30:27 GMT
hi everyone i should think those of you lucky enough to already own one of these wont be interested in what guitarist mag thinks about them as you know theyre sh*t hot what a demo though finger picking on a tele with the apache and mom patches shows how much guitarist knows about us cheers andy
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Post by sheendigs on Aug 20, 2015 23:27:09 GMT
May I contribute with a suggestion??
As Steve Reynolds, has covered a lot of tracks with the HCSE,
How about if he could join them in a video with a selections of some of his tracks, explaining what he used
for echoes..there must be someone on our site that can do this kind of work in a small video.
Thus we could refer to that, in the future. (I am going to talk to a friend here in Canada..it needs a software)
Or perhaps Charlie could explain all the settings in another video..thus giving us more data on
how it works (I know it is written in the manual)...but nothing beats a voice guiding us!
SHeendigs
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Post by Charlie Hall on Aug 20, 2015 23:44:29 GMT
Hi Sheendigs,
It could certainly be of benefit to Shadows players but hopefully they are here already! I do not have the audacity to suggest to the people at Guitarist that their video demo is not good and that someone else should try to produce a better one. I did say to them that I would like the unit to appeal to as many players as possible, and I think that is what they have tried to do.
If we want videos of Shadows tunes, then there are already some good ones linked to from this site.
Regards,
Charlie
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Post by glyderslead on Aug 20, 2015 23:48:56 GMT
This video review was not, in my view, done in a professional way at all. In fact, anyone could randomly turn the various controls up and down - as it seemed was done - perhaps to try to give the viewer the impression you knew what you were doing before noodling about.
Unbelievably, the adjustments made for one patch were left in place as the reviewer proceeded to scroll up through various patches, which represented different echo machines, assuming the same adjustments were needed.
I wonder how much time the reviewer had spent with the machine before undertaking the review. The instructions, if read, clearly indicate it is best to leave the controls alone - until you are familiar with the machine.
Mick
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Post by Cruachan on Aug 21, 2015 1:54:42 GMT
It is quite clear how we all feel about the Hall and Collins Signature Echo. Having lived and breathed the anticipation and excitement throughout the lengthy development period, we have each purchased our very own example and are now discovering that all our dreams have at last been fulfilled. Why? Quite simply because the long search to reproduce those sounds we cherish so much has finally been rewarded and we desperately want everyone else to join in the party.
This is, of course, perfectly understandable, but we are overlooking one very important issue. The music of Hank Marvin and The Shadows has been part of our lives for such a long time. Our generation remembers and can appreciate what has been and, indeed, continues to be a wonderfully fulfilling auditory and emotional experience. Yet nowadays it seems, unbelievably, that this music is not to everyone's taste. We have to acknowledge that our sons and daughters are currently enjoying a different experience, one which many of us may find both alien and uncomfortable. That's not to say that modern musical genres should be rejected or regarded as being irrelevant. Far from it. Learning to appreciate and, in some cases, liking what we hear can, in its way, be quite stimulating.
The point I'm trying to make is that if we can learn to appreciate other forms of music then so too can our children, or those others who quickly reject what we like as being so uncool and unworthy of their attention.
I believe that the Hall and Collins Signature Echo should appeal to a broad range of potential users. It has much to offer and a single demo which is too focussed on one particular area is likely to prove unhelpful and may hinder sales. The unit needs to be demonstrated by several diverse musicians who understand how it functions and are capable of translating that into a worthwhile and tangible experience. As its joint creators, who better than Charlie and John to meet this challenge. Under their guidance anything should be possible by way of promoting the unit in the best possible light.
While the existing single demo may not be worthy of much serious attention it does at least serve as a taster which tantalises and tempts the non-Shadow orientated listener into wanting more. Further demos should now be arranged with the intention of exemplifying the true and wide ranging capabilities of the Hall and Collins Signature Echo.
Meantime, the curious can Google 'Hall and Collins' and they will quickly access the website where they can download the instruction manual, listen to audio files, etc.
Mike
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Post by scanners on Aug 21, 2015 7:43:16 GMT
It's not one trick pony Charlie, it can do pretty much any echo I've been playing some slap "crazy little thing" by Queen with it among others lately Matthew |
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Post by scanners on Aug 21, 2015 7:52:10 GMT
I thought exactly the same Charlie, he should have played a few tunes instead of just noodling around to give a better demo
Matthew
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2015 10:05:04 GMT
If you subscribe to the Guitarist Mag, you get it about 3 weeks before it is out in the shops....
Jim
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Post by Charlie Hall on Aug 21, 2015 11:46:45 GMT
I didn't realise subscribers got it that early. Maybe I won't get the right copy at W H Smiths today.
Regards,
Charlie
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Post by Steve Reynolds on Aug 21, 2015 13:18:03 GMT
Ive just got a copy at Smiths, its a 2 page article not as bad as the video in my opinion. it does specifically mention the Meazzis and The Shadows in particular. They gave it negative for the lack of tap tempo delay and the manual programming but other than that it was not bad.
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Post by bill on Aug 21, 2015 15:25:17 GMT
Often we don't appreciate a piece of equipment until we find out later on that it was used by someone to good effect. Then we follow that by trying to find out how it was done! If any kind of potential can be seen from the review, then maybe it will have been of some use to someone. Regards, Charlie Hi Charlie and all, That's exactly my experience with echo units! Years ago a neighbour lent me his WEM Copycat as he was selling it. After I tried it I thought I would quickly get tired of it and didn't buy it. Very shortly afterwards I heard Mike Whellans live using one and thought, wow, maybe I should have bought it. The review is in Guitarist no. 398 (September) in the UK and is on the shelf in my local Tesco today. I think it's a good if brief review; it mentions all the important features albeit not in any detail. Bill |
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Post by Charlie Hall on Aug 21, 2015 16:23:21 GMT
I bought my copy today at W H Smith. It is the September edition and is number 398. The review is on pages 122 and 123.
Regards,
Charlie
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Post by Cruachan on Aug 21, 2015 17:09:07 GMT
Got mine ( Guitarist - Issue 398) this afternoon at Sainsburys. The review is in the 'Pedalboard' section of the magazine and is the only device given a 2 page spread! Nice pictures of the unit although I see they have set all the knobs in the 12 o'clock position...tut, tut! Those that purchase the unit and belong to the honourable order of idiots who rarely read manuals are likely to experience initial disappointment until they break that lifetime habit. Otherwise I thought it was quite a decent, albeit necessarily, somewhat superficial review which does mention most of the features that are available. Not sure why they should be griping about the absence of Tap-tempo. Also they describe it as being 'bulky'. Surely it's rugged build and size are plus points for many guitarists. I suppose they are wondering how to fit it on an existing pedalboard. The language used in parts of the review suggests the reviewer has been well briefed by someone with an intimate knowledge of the electronic wizardry within the unit A score award of 8/10 is richly deserved and an acknowledgement of a quality product entering the market. Although the main review is on pages 122-123 there is in fact a little more on the PEDALBOARD title page. If I may be allowed to quote a couple of sentences: " Not only does it highly accurately model the glistering multi-tap delays of vintage tape units used by Hank, from the Meazzi Echomatic to the Vox Long Tom, but it has bespoke circuitry designed to emulate the warm, saturated pre-amp tones associated with these vintage delays. It's not cheap, but the quality of the delays is stunning." I had to look up the meaning of 'glister': To sparkle, glitter Can't say fairer than that, in my view. Mike |
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