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Post by garyallen on Aug 21, 2015 17:55:41 GMT
I Liked it ! OK.. it wasnt aimed at Shads fans but it sounded just as good as any other echo unit review. regards gary
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Post by ha2he on Aug 21, 2015 21:08:43 GMT
Hi Charlie & Friends,
Tap Tempo....
Is it me or can that only be applied to a single "tap" ?
Regards,
Tim.
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Post by sheendigs on Aug 21, 2015 21:27:17 GMT
If I understand the tap tempo, it is like giving 'on the fly', a tempo on your delay..And if your drummer varies the tempo, you can adjust to that.. I watched this clip and got a little bit more understanding. In my opinion, the use of a blinking light tempo is, when a guitar has to start a song. (But a good musician, will have the tempo coming from his brains..well, unless we need a precise tempo??) youtu.be/ELVdaydl7ZwSheendigs |
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Post by Charlie Hall on Aug 21, 2015 21:30:21 GMT
Hi Tim,
I don't know about other units but I was able to apply tap tempo to all the taps with multitap echo patches on the Q2 and Q20. I found that not many people used the tap tempo feature.
Regards,
Charlie
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Post by John Collins on Aug 23, 2015 12:34:51 GMT
I think the youtube review sounded ok, but probably the reviewer could have chosen different passages to play, and that may have demonstrated some of the features more clearly. I think a few muted notes here and there would have helped show up some of the echo patterns for the viewer.
With regard to the written article, it seemed a fair appraisal of the unit's capabilities. I was, however, puzzled by the article's call for of a Tap-Tempo feature. My understanding of tap- tempo in a device, is that the operator can select a delay time, by tapping the footswitch of the device several times. The device measures (or averages) the time interval between those presses of the footswitch, and sets the delay time accordingly. This is useful when the delay time of the echo needs to be related to the tempo of the song, particularly in a live situation. This is the way the feature works in the Boss DD6 delay pedal, which I tried recently. I can see how this system works with a single delay such as many echo pedals are equipped with (Boss DD6 included), however, things gets a lot more complicated with a unit with multiple delays, such as the Hall & Collins unit. For example, the echo for Apache has 4 different repeats, namely at 124, 179, 430 & 600 milliseconds - those timings work together produce a cadence, and none of the timings are related to the actual tempo of the song. So if we had the tap-tempo feature, and tapped in (say) a 300mS delay, which of the 4 head timings would we alter?!! And it would be a similar story for each patch of each different machine. I don't think such a tap-tempo feature could be made to work in a useful way for our unit.
Regards,
John
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Post by bor64 on Aug 23, 2015 13:28:01 GMT
So you see, those guy's haven't really a clue the HCSE is capable of....
Cheers Rob
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Post by Cruachan on Aug 23, 2015 14:34:53 GMT
So you see, those guy's haven't really a clue the HCSE is capable of.... Cheers Rob ...which underlines the need for its true potential to be demonstrated properly by someone who knows what they are doing. Several 'demos' may soon appear on the internet, but what this unit needs, and deserves, is a good core demo which acts as a valid reference point. Regards, mike |
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Post by ha2he on Aug 23, 2015 17:18:04 GMT
Hi Charlie & Friends,
John put into words what was rattling around in my head.
Thank you John.
Regards,
Tim.
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Post by John Collins on Aug 23, 2015 23:16:49 GMT
Hi Tim,
I think you're spot on - tap echo is mainly relevent to a single delay, or possibly two delays such as the Edge might use.
Regards,
John
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Post by scanners on Aug 24, 2015 0:36:34 GMT
I was the same when I was first trying to get Hank's sound, I thought (and was told) is was a single delay with reverb. It wasn't until I started reading an magazines that he used a multi tap delay, and some had louder repeats such as wonderful land. That's also how I found out about Charlie and EFTP
Matthew
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Post by philc on Aug 24, 2015 7:08:26 GMT
Tap delay, came in many years ago, before this we used to have to do calculations to set a delay in time with the beat, so it was a godsend really as it could be done instantly.
Some outboards like Lexicon and TC M1 have the tap button flashing constantly for use, even on reverb patches, but it doesn't work for pre-delays etc only on delay and a small selection of other effects.
Phil
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Post by kipper on Aug 28, 2015 18:05:57 GMT
hi read this on the shadows site. very intresting i think. peter
hello, I wrote to the newspaper to express my disappointment about this test and here the answer from jamie who wrote the item.
Hi Denis, sorry to hear of your disappointment. It's a brave man who disappoints fans of the Shadows in the matter of evoking their sound authentically. You're correct in pointing out in that the demo took a more general look at the capabilities of the unit as an emulator of tape delay in the broader context. but such has been the outcry I'm minded to do a second demo that is entirely and authentically devoted to highlighting the Shadows connection in full. I hope that will serve to correct any perceived shortfall in expectations. All best,
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Post by asimmd on Aug 28, 2015 18:36:36 GMT
Well done Denis
I just bought the mag today but I haven't opened it yet.
Seems from his reply that there have been quite a few complaints
and I do hope he does another review as mentioned.
Alan
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Post by Charlie Hall on Aug 28, 2015 20:07:42 GMT
I wonder if complaints about a review have ever caused anyone to consider doing a second review before.
My feeling anyway is that complaints are best not coming from me or anyone seen to be closely connected, but it could be good news if they do decide to do a second review.
Regards,
Charlie
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