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Post by stug345 on Jun 20, 2011 15:10:47 GMT
Hi Charlie,
This new unit sounds really good. If possible would you add me to the list ?
Thanks
Stu
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Post by smithie on Jun 20, 2011 15:20:29 GMT
Hi Charlie,
One for me also please - price dependant of course.
Cheers
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Post by sircopro on Jun 21, 2011 23:31:47 GMT
Hello from Mexico. I want to be in your list. Here in Mexico we use the same USA voltage and plugs.
Greetings!
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Post by spookymoody on Jun 22, 2011 8:11:12 GMT
Looks like its a case of miss it miss out.........so stick me on the list as well please.
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Post by John Haldane on Jun 22, 2011 14:04:55 GMT
Please add me to the list (dependant on cost) Cheers John H
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Post by Andy Cook on Jun 23, 2011 15:45:30 GMT
Hi Charlie,
Please add me to the list as well
Best regards Andy
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Post by raggytramline on Jun 23, 2011 20:56:14 GMT
Hi Charlie,
Having had the 508, the 2.1u and the Q2 with your excellent patches, I can't miss out on this latest wonderful development, so please put me on the list as well!
Just hope that all this interest will help bring the unit cost down!
Thanks.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2011 7:40:28 GMT
Add me to the list please Charlie...Thanks
Jim
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Post by Emiel Visser on Jun 24, 2011 8:01:17 GMT
Is there a link to where I can listen to an example of the Echo Unit?
Regards, Emiel
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Post by Charlie Hall on Jun 24, 2011 12:01:59 GMT
Thanks to everyone for asking to be added to the list. It will certainly help to make the price lower.
Hi Stephen, I hope that we can have the unit ready by the end of the year.
Regards, Charlie
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Post by Bojan Drndic on Jun 24, 2011 12:06:26 GMT
Charlie, if you can have the unit ready in time for Christmas, I think your sales will soar!! Santa will be very busy this year !!!
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Post by Charlie Hall on Jun 24, 2011 12:10:49 GMT
Hi Emiel, I hope to do a few demos as soon as possible. They will be posted in the Sound Files section and I will probably post links from here too. Regards, Charlie
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Post by geoffaldertonlh on Jun 24, 2011 13:06:54 GMT
Hi Charlie. Last year I went to the German lake called " Konigssee" The lake if famous for its natural echo. Claimed to be the most natural echo in the world. You may have been their, I dont know, but to sit on the lake, in a boat, and just listen, it is a very special echo. If I was making an echo unit I would call it The Konigssee Echo. I believe it's pronounced KOE NIG SEA. Regards Geoff.
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Post by Charlie Hall on Jun 24, 2011 14:13:58 GMT
Hi Geoff, I found some videos on YouTube of the Konigssee echo. It is like nothing I have heard before and is indeed a very special sound. However, I don't think the name would connect with the majority of people. Regards, Charlie
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Post by janus776 on Jun 24, 2011 17:18:16 GMT
Hi Charlie Congratulations and good luck with the new unit. Please add me to the list. Thanks. Janus776
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Post by grip on Jun 25, 2011 10:52:22 GMT
Hi Charlie,
Just a thought on the design of the new unit, would it be possible to have 2 outputs configured such that the dry signal is through on 1 channel and the echo only on the other channel (switchable)? It would be a nice feature to be able to change the mix of echo/dry signal after recording.
Kind regards,
Chris
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Post by Charlie Hall on Jun 25, 2011 13:35:24 GMT
Hi Chris, The echo signal is mixed with the dry signal passsively in the same way as with an original Meazzi, then the whole signal passes through a follower configuration that simulates what a valve cathode follower circuit does. If intended distortion is present, then the follower circuit will process the combined dry and echo signal in the same way as the original. By splitting the dry and echo signals to separate outputs it would not only complicate the circuit beyond the space we have but also it could affect the overall intended sound. The solution from your point of view would be to have 3 outputs, one as we have it now, and then two separate outputs from the dry and echo signals derived from the signals before the passive mixing stage. This would also mean that the echo output level control would have no effect on the echo output signal. It's all a bit too complicated to incorporate into this design. One alternative solution with the present design would be to record the dry signal only, and then put the resulting recorded signal through the echo unit twice, once with no echo, and then again with no dry signal, since the dry signal and echo output can be set separately. The only problem with that is that the recorded signal fed into the unit must be about the same level as that from the guitar, so some form of level control would be needed to pad down the recorded signal before it is fed into the unit. This would ensure that the signal is distorted in the same way as if the recording had been made through the unit in the first place. Regards, Charlie
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Post by mojolomjl on Jun 25, 2011 18:22:37 GMT
Hi Charlie, Please add me to your list. Regards, Maurice.
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Post by grip on Jun 25, 2011 20:21:51 GMT
Hi Charlie, One alternative solution with the present design would be to record the dry signal only, and then put the resulting recorded signal through the echo unit twice, once with no echo, and then again with no dry signal, since the dry signal and echo output can be set separately. The only problem with that is that the recorded signal fed into the unit must be about the same level as that from the guitar, so some form of level control would be needed to pad down the recorded signal before it is fed into the unit. This would ensure that the signal is distorted in the same way as if the recording had been made through the unit in the first place. Regards, Charlie Thank you for explaining why it's not feasible to incorporate, the solution you give isn't ideal, but it is workable (I presume you must have done something similar for your testing files for the unit). Kind regards, Chris
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Post by pitts on Jun 25, 2011 23:29:47 GMT
Hi Charlie Please put me down as well Thanks Ray NZ
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Post by Charlie Hall on Jun 26, 2011 2:15:08 GMT
Hi Chris, It was done many times, before I had a prototype here. I made a dry recording of me playing Wonderful Land, the dry recording was sent to John, he then padded it down to the correct level, put it through his prototype unit and recorded it, then sent the new recording back to me. The best thing was that I only had to record one dry file and it could then be used as many times as we needed to. Regards, Charlie
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Post by Charlie Hall on Jun 26, 2011 2:32:05 GMT
I gigged the prototype unit for the first time this weekend. Mark, our singer, noticed how much better Wonderful Land sounded than it had done before, and told me so during the next break. I use the Q20 normally, and it was in use this weekend but only for non echo effects for other numbers. I turned its output off altogether when I used echo from the new unit. Also, for the first time ever, I had someone come up to me to ask how I was getting the sound. This at a gig we have played many times, and the person had seen us play before. I showed him the new unit during the break. Perhaps almost as interesting is that while playing non echo numbers, the bass cut effect was more noticeable at high volume levels. It really cleaned up the bass notes from my amp and by increasing bass to compensate it didn't sound as woolly as it had done before without the unit. I also noticed that while the sound was just as clear in the treble as it normally is, it seemed to smooth the sound too. I believe that is the result of the valve simulation circuitry. Perhaps more to the point, it shows that there are Meazzi type characteristics even in the dry signal. Regards, Charlie
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Post by noelford on Jun 26, 2011 5:48:13 GMT
What's that dripping sound? Oh! It's my mouth watering! Now what am I going to do with my two Quad GTs?!
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Post by Bojan Drndic on Jun 26, 2011 8:49:35 GMT
What's that dripping sound? Oh! It's my mouth watering! Now what am I going to do with my two Quad GTs?! Sell them while you still can, while there are still people out there who have not heard about the newest echo unit I've noticed an increased number of Zoom, Yamaha and Alesis units being offered for sale these past few weeks. I wonder why that is!! ;D
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Post by Rick on Jun 26, 2011 9:02:55 GMT
Hi Bojan,Well my ZOOM G2 1NU is also up for sale along with lots of my gear that has already gone,due to a back problem,Having to make do with my old WEM Copicat,its hard to bend to make adjustments though. Best wishes, Rick.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2011 15:15:59 GMT
During a 'phone conversation with Charlie on Friday evening, he kindly offered to give me a demo. of his new unit, over the 'phone line!
He played a selection of the Shadows tunes that I was most familiar with from hearing them via the EFTP patches on my Zoom units. Well, what can I say? When I first heard the EFTP sounds I was impressed, but this new echo unit just takes things to a much higher level. Even down the telephone line, those echoes are SO authentic to what is heard on the Shadows recordings that we base our search for 'That Sound' on. It's just got to be a winner and will leave everything else just dead in the water!
These days, as a home player, I mainly just plug straight into my Zoom G7 and output via a set of headphones, so rarely play amplified. As I understand it, Charlie's new unit will be a 'straight' echo pedal with no amp. simuation, headphone output etc., so unfortunately, for me, looks like I'll be missing out, whilst all you amp. users benefit! Steven.
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Post by Charlie Hall on Jun 26, 2011 19:27:23 GMT
Hi Stephen, I haven't tried it direct to a PA. I could try it sometime through my HiFi (via the computer soundcard), which in theory would be similar to a good quality PA except of course on a much smaller scale. My feeling though it that for Shadows type sounds, some bass reduction and highs reduction (which should be easily adjusted on most PA gear) might be needed. Bear in mind though that while the unit has valve simulation, it won't and shouldn't simulate the whole sound of a valve amp, which of course has to include a power amp.
Hi Steven, Thanks for your favourable comments!
Regards, Charlie
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Post by bjorn on Jun 26, 2011 21:12:24 GMT
Hi Charlie, I really look forward to hearing the "Unit with no Name" (so far)
I wonder how the patches will be stored. As I recall from some post there will be no public "programmable interface" where one might be able to get new versions of the patches or. Is it a prom or eprom that will be used?
Regards Bjorn
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Post by shawbridge on Jun 26, 2011 21:17:06 GMT
Hi Charlie, that is all very exciting to hear, can't wait to own one as soon as i get wind of it done a cheque will be on its way without question.
i would be interesting to hear what it sounds like recording using Quad amplification and electrostatics :-)
cheers Peter
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Post by Charlie Hall on Jun 26, 2011 22:29:20 GMT
Hi Bjorn, The patches will be stored in a permanent memory. We will be making sure that we have all the patches right first time so there will be no need for upgrades. The rotary controls will allow variations to be applied to each patch by the user, such as echo amount, feedback and wow & flutter amount. I don't know the difference between a PROM or an EEPROM. Regards, Charlie
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