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Post by specky on Dec 17, 2009 16:00:42 GMT
hiya - shadowhankron ahh sorry to hear you feel like giving up --dont all the great guys on the site here are behind you -its worth sticking with- we cant all be Hanks - ive been playing for over 45 years [think im worse now than I ever was) and could never copy Hank most of the time -still cant -but find your own style and use the sound that you think is near to a Shadows sound --(go back to basics-) look in the golden pages for a guitar set up/repair man near where you live in the city (Dublin) theres a guy near Music Maker in Exchequer St. ask around -- and jump at the the offer from geronimo -- go to youtube and look at all the the guys who post shadows tunes and you will pick up tips and hints as well --- good luck -
ps "up the Dubs"
tommy
the advice ive picked up here by reading the many and varied posts is amazing -
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Post by geronimo7476 on Dec 17, 2009 16:08:23 GMT
Strange setup! Ronnie sounds like he needs help with setting up his guitar, getting the right sound and maybe a few tips on playing. I've been playing since 1960, always worked on my own gear, even built a couple of guitars myself. When Vox brought out the Valvetronix I bought a VT120 and used it for two years before buying a CC2X. I could check his VT out He can practically walk to my house and all his problems would be sorted, free! I have offered my help, yet I see everyone getting thanked and the search continues!!?? Cheers CC
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Post by Alcopop on Dec 17, 2009 19:10:51 GMT
Hi Ronnie i have sent you a PM.
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Post by shadowhankron on Dec 17, 2009 21:02:13 GMT
Hi Geronimo
Strange setup! Ronnie sounds like he needs help with setting up his guitar, getting the right sound and maybe a few tips on playing. He can practically walk to my house and all his problems would be sorted, free! I have offered my help, yet I see everyone getting thanked and the search continues!!?? Cheers CC
I Thank You for your Kind Interest in my Problem but I felt some of your Comments a little Harsh as Pasted, Plus You say I can walk to your House, You dont Know where I Live, but Anyhow I do Appreciate what you are trying to Do, And THANK YOU EVERYBODY for your Comments Special Thanks to Alcopop for your Message and other Thing. regards Ronnie
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Post by shadowhankron on Dec 17, 2009 21:30:09 GMT
Hi To Charles Campbell Just wanted to let you know I heard your excellent Sound Files on your Website, your Apache is excellent with that unique opening.. plus Devil Woman Excellent Guitar Work.. If only I had 25% of That Sound you have there, I`d be Happy.
best Wishes Ronnie
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Post by Charlie Hall on Dec 17, 2009 22:24:34 GMT
Hi Ronnie, As I said earlier, you can send any recording to me by email. It doesn't have to be good in any way other than to demonstrate the problem you are having. I wouldn't mind hearing exactly what problems the instrument has at the moment. I'm not bothered about anyone's skill level, only to find out why the guitar is not sounding as it should and stopping you from enjoying playing it. Regards, Charlie
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Post by geronimo7476 on Dec 17, 2009 23:47:13 GMT
Hi Ronnie, My sincere apologies, I don't mean to be offensive, sometimes I come over a little crude, I guess that's how living here for the past 11 years has made me. But my music keeps me sane,, I think! When I said Walk to my house, I meant relatively speaking, meaning I'm close enough and not in Oz, USA or back in South Africa. I really enjoy helping where I can and my offer is still open to you. If you're interested, click on my name, Geronimo7476 and my email address is there. Go well Ronnie and have a great Festive season. Cheers CC And PS, I'll see that you get the same sound you hear on my recordings, well, more than 25% anyway
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Post by shadowhankron on Dec 17, 2009 23:56:04 GMT
Thanks for your Reply Geronimo7476 and no apology needed I knew no harm was intended but just the wrong wording came across to me,, You Too have a Great Christmas I live in Dublin 12 area about 30 min from Leixlip
regards Ronnie
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Post by shadowhankron on Dec 17, 2009 23:58:00 GMT
Thanks Specky for you reply to me
Ronnie
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Post by 5tratocaster on Dec 18, 2009 18:09:48 GMT
Hi Ronnie, I think I understand your problem with the Zoom G2 and the Vox AD30VT. Both have amplifier simulations built in to them and I believe Charlie has used that feature on the Zoom pedal in addition to setting the echoes up, to make a guitar played through a standard amplifier sound more like it's being played through a Vox. If you use Charlie's echoes just as they come, then you will need to set the tone controls on the amplifier to be flat, otherwise the sound of the guitar would be simulated twice, which I imagine would be rather thin and screechy. This means not using the AC15 or AC30TB simulations on the amp, but using something like the Tweed 4x10 and setting the tone controls to the central position initially, then perhaps tweaking the Treble up or down slightly until you find the sound you like. Try plugging the guitar straight into the amp first to get a 'flat' sound (not like Hank's), then try it through the G2 and adjust the treble accordingly. Alternatively, you could disable the amp sim on the G2 and then use the AC15 or AC30TB setting on the Vox amp, but this is more complicated. I would strongly advise you to take up Geronimo's offer. He is a really nice guy and face to face advice at this stage will be so much easier to grasp than all the very valid and useful comments offered here. Geoff
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Post by teleman on Dec 19, 2009 10:07:28 GMT
Hi Ronnie
I use the G2 with charlies patches and as mentioned previously run the EQ on the amp flat. Only been playing shads music for just short of a year now where I work (local nursing home etc) and I know I sound nothing like hank, I just love playing the music. I don't personally think anyone can sound just like hank, its your own interpretatation and the soul you put into the playing that gives it your own touch which does the job I think. I've tried all sorts of equipment to try and get that sound and to some extent had given up myself earlier this year. I'm now using a 100watt PA system and the Zoom G2, EQ flat off course, and am getting a reasonable sound ( have not been boo'ed off yet LoL). Anyway, please don't give up Ronnie. Music is life fella.
I class myself as a sub-standard non music reading guitarist, but on the other hand have seen the effect of playing music to people at the end of their life suffering from dementia. It brings a tear to my eye every gig I do ( I ain't joking either ).
Sorry to go on a bit but I would be very sad see a fellow guitarist give up a wonderfully pleasurable hobby.
Good look with the guitar setup as well Ronnie.
Regardz
Neil
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Post by shadowhankron on Dec 19, 2009 14:11:24 GMT
Thanks Geoff & Neil , Geronimo & Charlie for your Time & replies, still not got to friends shop yet to get guitar set up, I phoned him but awaiting return call. Hopefully I get it done before Christmas.... Then I will try the Zoom G2.1u & EFTP without the Drive switched on and VT 30 Vox at middle settings. Thanks again
Ronnie
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Post by spikestevens on Dec 24, 2009 12:05:25 GMT
I'm sure we all of us have our down moments, it's what makes us all human beings. Besides, there probably isn't a guitarist (or any other musician for that) on the planet that at one time or another hasn't felt like giving up because they've hit a stumbling block with their progress.
There could be many reasons why you're feeling that you want to give up, but don't forget the old adage, 'It's always darkest before the dawn'. You wait, very soon you'll pick up your guitar and play a little bit, and then all of a sudden everything falls into place, something clicks and you realise just what great fun it is doing what you do.
I wouldn't suggest stopping altogether if things are really bad, just have a bit of a break from music for a while and then come back to it when you're in a more positive frame of mind.
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Post by solidlg on Dec 24, 2009 13:45:57 GMT
Hi Ronnie, Well I have watched our terrific members trying to change your mind on giving up, and as I know our Geronimo very well, eh Charles, and he is on the same island of pleasure ( Music and Guiness) you have someone at hand who can certainly help you big time.
I started playing by learning Wonderful Land when it was released, I learned every Shadows number, even the mistakes, but never played them live until a few years ago, and it took being with other driven musicians to get me back to a reasonable ability, and I strongly suggest you get together with like minded musicians who can help you feel the music and fiddle with these pain in the butt electronic gismo's until you get a sound that you feel comfortable with.
Setting up the guitar is vital to your enjoyment, and if your local guy cant give you that level of satisfaction I am certain Geronimo can, his guitar set up's are pretty d**n good, and if the feel is right then the playing improves rapidly.....so persevere mate and get friends around you who can help, there are plenty of closet shadows players around, even an advert in the paper may have a deluge of them showing up at your door.
All the best Steve Toronto
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Post by shadowhankron on Dec 24, 2009 17:19:24 GMT
Thanks Solidig and Spikestevans for your kind replies I did not get guitar set up yet as my friend whom owns music store in dublin has been very busy selling gear for christmas, I may wait till the new year to start again hopefully inspiration will follow.
Happy Christmas to everybody and Thank You all.
regards Ronnie
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Post by shadowhankron on Jan 21, 2010 22:42:31 GMT
Hi Everyone
Just an Update, to let you know that today I left my Guitar into my Friends Music Store for a Two Day complete Set Up. The Guy who looks after Guitars was away in USA on Guitar Show. So Hopefully Saturday I get to try it out. My next thing will be to Match the Zoom G2.1 with the Vox VT 30. I like to Thank You all so far for your Wonderful Support in advice on what to do, I noted everything said here and Left a Large To Do list for the Tekkie to check up.
Regàrds
Ronnie
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Post by shadowhankron on Feb 7, 2010 19:30:11 GMT
Hi Everyone
I`m Back once more with my Update. I got my Guitar totally " Set Up " with everything done from Tuning Pins Down to Saddles, Bridge , Tremelo, Neck Bolt etc plus Ernie Ball 11`s Strings fitted. Today I tried out Guitar and it " seems " reasonable except for 5th and 6th Strings sound to Vibrate. Also My Amp Vox VT 30 and Zoom Effects G2.1u Pedal dont seem to have that VOX + Fender Sound. So if some Ideal settings could be Offered by similar Owners that play with this set Up for the Sound offered on the Sound Files I Thank Each and Everyone here that take their Time in Replies, Hopefully this Time I can get going to Playing and Recording in the near Future.
Regards to All
Ronnie
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Post by Charlie Hall on Feb 7, 2010 21:06:12 GMT
Hi Ronnie, When you say the 5th and 6th string vibrate, do you mean they rattle, like fret buzz? If you pick the strings hard, then some rattle may be expected. If this happens on any fretted note it may be necessary to raise the action slightly on those 2 strings. If you have programmed the drive and EQ and Extra EQ settings into the pedal, then you need to reduce the treble control of your amp. This will apply with any amp model you choose, although the actual treble setting will probably have to vary according to which amp model you use as some are brighter sounding than others. Regards, Charlie
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2010 21:11:53 GMT
Hi, I have the Zoom G2 and have briefly used the Vox you speak of. This may be pilot error with respect of course. First Q is, "do you really know the ins and out of all the settings on your Amp and how to use them especially the amp modelling", if not you might have trouble at first with the G2 as the patches also are amp modelled. Try this; On your Amp select the Vox AC30 (not the TB one but the H something or other) now turn your Bass, Mid and Treble EQ to 12 O'clock. On the G2 - Go onto patch bO ( which is Wonderful Land) then select the Drive where it will say CA (which is the Vox amp model). Hit one of the footswich buttons and switch it off so that you are just running into your amp without the G2's amp modelling facility as you are already using it. Now start fiddling around with your amplifiers EQ and see how you go. Start the Backing track and begin playing hearing it in the context of the track. Just keep fiddling, if its not quite right start to fiddle with the G2's EQ and try to fine tune it to what you want. Just remember it will take you a fair time of fiddling to start to get the sound you want it does'nt happen overnight, don't give in, non of us on this site have done and most of us are still after that Holy Grail. Tony
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Post by shadowhankron on Feb 7, 2010 22:51:08 GMT
Hi Charlie & Tony
First Many Thanks to you both for Advice.
CHARLIE : On the Strings Buzz ...... the 5th & 6th Strings there seems a slight vibrate buzz on gentle playing of the notes from first fret up wards.... I did not Tamper with your EFTP settings but did try different Vox settings but did not like the Tones. I was afraid to tamper with the Zoom G2.1 in case I made matters worse.
TONY : You seem to know my set up as you refer that you once used this VOX VT 30 amp. You are right about knowing the settings, I still am Confused with the Drive settings on This Amp with many Drives and Red, Green Yellow lights plus the bypass switches.
I know the answer would be Trade in for a proper Vox 15 or 30 model but I cannot afford any new equipment as I`m Early retired.
Perhaps Someone could give me if it is not too muc trouble. The settings for Drive, Bypass and Colour light on the Amp plus which switches on Zoom to turn off.
Hopefully I get this Darn set up with Guitar & Amp Corrected before I lose my mind.
Thanks again, sorry for all this Jargon here.
Regards
Ronnie
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Post by Charlie Hall on Feb 7, 2010 23:41:08 GMT
Hi Ronnie, As far as I remember on the amp I tried, the gain or drive control (I forget how it is labelled) is quite sensitive ie. it needs to be about 1/4 to 1/3 of rotation maximum for the Vox amp modellings. The next volume control can be turned a lot higher to get the volume you want out of the amp. I think there is also an output control on the back panel, turn this full up or you will risk getting unexpected distortion. Regards, Charlie
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Post by grip on Feb 7, 2010 23:50:44 GMT
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Post by streetboy on Feb 8, 2010 15:06:55 GMT
Hi Ronnie,
I have been following this thread since you started it in December last year. I have wanted to comment on it ever since, but haven't. Now it's time - for me at least - and what I write is in no way meant as an offense.
I can't imagine why anybody including you should give up playing the guitar, just because a certain sound cannot be achieved. We're all chasing that 'magic sound' from Hank, but so many variables are included so going through all permutations would take forever and a life. Quite a number of posts in this forum deals with the fact that it would be impossible to reach 'that sound' due to all the different related attributes involved.
I am happy when I just can get the tune right without getting my fingers stuck between strings - sounds actually awfull.
So why not just be happy to play the guitar - knowing you have six strings and 21/22 frets to focus on and not the exact sound?
AGAIN NO OFFENSE MEANT.
rgds Soren
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2010 16:48:17 GMT
Hi again shadowhankron, Also forgot to mention; Also try taking the G2 out of the chain altogether and go straight into your Amp with the guitar, Bypass all the effects because each amp model will probably have some kind of effect in the default setting. Each time you select an Amp it will default to its factory setting SO bypass it and try to get the dry sound of guitar and fiddle again until you become satisfied. SAVE IT and then introduce the G2 again and adjust the EQ and settings ( not the Echoes). Good luck Tony
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Post by shadowhankron on Feb 8, 2010 18:30:58 GMT
Hi Soren
Thank you for your Reply. I feel many people think I am a " Marvin " nut. It is not just a Marvin Sound I complain I dont get but just a Pleasant Warm Fender Sound. Charlie Halls EFTP with the Zoom G2.1 ......will provide me with " THAT SOUND " but until I now get my Guitar matching the Amp with the Zoom Effects I wont be Happy. My next effort will be Trying to Play those Wonderful Tunes I ENVY all you have offered, And Soren I know no offence was Intended but just Honest Comments from you.
TONY..... Again Many Thanks to you for your great Advice in past 2 Days. I will try your Settings along with Grips Settings that I found on Site.
Thank You again, I am sorry here if I seem to just complain about my Problem, but I know there are many excellent Musicians and Tekkies here to help, Just Please Bear with me.
Best Regards
Ronnie
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Post by Charlie Hall on Feb 9, 2010 0:16:42 GMT
Hi Ronnie, Apart from taking advice offered, don't forget to let us know if something is not working out as it should. Regards, Charlie
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Post by shadowhankron on Feb 9, 2010 17:50:27 GMT
Thank You Charlie for your Advice ..always welcome. I hope later tonight to try out Guitar / Amp/ Zoom with advice given here.... no always able to use gear with family around in all rooms.
regards
Ronnie
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Post by 26rednef on Feb 15, 2010 16:18:21 GMT
Hi.
I have played Strats for more then 40 years and a couple of things I have learned is, never put light strings on it if you want to sound like 60's Shadows and make use of ww G strings it always sounds better. You can go down to (0.11- 0.50)" with a ww 0.22" G, it will work. One problem with Strats and light strings is, the B and E string will have a tendency to go out of tune when using the tremolo much. The string retainer does not work so well with light strings. For light strings a Eric Jonson model works better it has a larger string angel behind the saddle and does not need the string retainer. Almost anything and a good delay processor will produce Shadows sounds, most of it sits in the fingers.
Kind Regards, 26rednef
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Post by shadowhankron on Feb 18, 2010 21:18:33 GMT
Thanks 26rednef for your reply I dont understand what you mean by ww 0.22" for G string
regards
Ronnie
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2010 21:19:26 GMT
Hi Ronnie, Dont worry about anyone elses sound or style too much. My advice develop your own style and get as close as you feel comfortable with and take influence from the masters like Hank B and many others and just keep right on Pickin' Good luck George.
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