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Post by TonyL on Feb 19, 2010 7:37:06 GMT
Hi Ronnie
I think that ww 0.22" means a wire wound ie not plain G string.
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Post by 26rednef on Feb 19, 2010 11:36:00 GMT
Hi guys.
Yes wire wounded G 0,22 " works good, no rubber band filing. This was interesting, George wrote; don't worry about anyone elses sound or style too much.I think, all of this forum is about guys worrying why they don't sound like Hank Marvin. The answer is, most of it sits in the fingers.
Kind Regards, 26rednef
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Post by shadowhankron on Feb 19, 2010 17:13:40 GMT
will try see if those "wound Strings 0.22 G are available in Music Store. Thanks
Ronnie
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Post by shadowhankron on Feb 19, 2010 17:19:41 GMT
Hi
Still no Luck with a proper sound with VT 30 and Zoom G2.1u even tried without Zoom attached Had Amp on Manual and bypass switched on.. set some advice settings given here. It must be my Ears looking for this decent sound I want, at moment any "Hank " or " Shadow " sound is not important only a good FENDER / VOX Sound " in Tune " is what I crave for... EFTP will give the " Hank & Shadows Sound .... someday.
Thanks
regards to all
Ronnie
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Post by Charlie Hall on Feb 19, 2010 20:02:52 GMT
Hi Ronnie, You need someone who knows the sounds you want to help you. Unless you take up Charles' offer to help you will not know where the problem lies. With all due respect, part of the Fender sound is down to the way the player plays but equally it could be the guitar (definitely if there are still tuning issues) or the amp. Without experience with these and not knowing what to expect from each item you won't solve it easily without help. I could probably help over the phone but not until later next week as I am away for a few days. Regards, Charlie
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Post by 26rednef on Feb 19, 2010 20:30:14 GMT
Hi there, please take it easy.
I don't know how advanced your knowledge of instrument techniques is, so please heck this first!
There are a couple of things to think of before change thickness of guitar strings, the first thing is, you have to re-intonate the guitar. The second, you have a Strat and on that guitar the microphones can not be individual adjusted per string. They are made for using a plain G or a ww G not both, so you can not change between that whiteout losing the balance between strings. You have to check the microphones for it. If the G string magnet pole is highest of all it is made for a ww G. If it is low it is made for a plain G and you have to keep to that. If it is a new Strat it is 95 % chance it is made for plain G string.
Kind Regards, 26rednef
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Post by 26rednef on Feb 19, 2010 21:00:29 GMT
Hi again.
I have a other idea.
If you could post a sound sample it would maybe possible to tell what's wrong.
Kind Regards, 26rednef
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Post by shadowhankron on Feb 20, 2010 14:12:20 GMT
Hi Thanks for the replies... 26rednef....... I dont know how to Post Sound Samples or Sound Files at present it is not a thing I am ready for until I get Guitar/Amp sorted out.. I appreciate your help.
To EYEBALL.. I notice you just Joined this Forum and feel disturbed that all you had to offer on help was in your own Words, .Give Charles a shout and put this baby to bed...Im on the northside but Im a bit tied up at the moment....Gary I sense you feel I should Give Up asking for Help. If I am to be told to put this Baby to Bed perhaps it`s CHARLIE HALL should be telling me to quit asking on this Thread.
To everyone Else Whom HELPED me with their Ideas and Advice Thank You.
regards
Ronnie
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Post by Roger... on Feb 20, 2010 15:28:40 GMT
Hi Ronnie,
I'm sorry you're having such a hard time getting your equipment to work to your satisfaction. I know a number of others have tried to help, and now I will have a try.
What type of sound are you looking for?
1) Is it a trebley twangy sound for playing punchy lead tunes. 2) Is it a middling sort of sound for ballad type tunes. 3) Is it a mellow sound, that is used for rhythm or soft melodious tunes?
Which ever it is, there are settings that can make that happen. Once you have the sound you want, we can then work on the rest. It must seem a very up-hill struggle where you are at the moment, but you will get there. Just be mindful that the sound is 70% the equipment, and 30% your playing technique (ie softly plucked notes in slow melodious tunes etc.), but I'm sure you already know that.
Please name a well known tune that you would like to play, and we will see what we can do to get you there.
Kind regards Roger
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Post by shadowhankron on Feb 20, 2010 19:37:15 GMT
Hi Roger
Thank You for your words of encouragement in my problems. With regard the Sound I am trying to settle for until I can figure the " Shadows " way is a sound with my Fender and VT 30 to get the Mark Knopfler " Sultans of Swing " guitar sound, now saying that I ha`ve not played that tune yet. My Guitar Playing is still Rusty as having a guitar not sounding right stops me Practicing. I entertain myself by keep music alive Playing my Tyros 2 Yamaha Workstation keyboards trying to make Backing Tracks for my Future Guitar Playing. SO MUSIC IS my LOVE. regards
Ronnie
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Post by shadowhankron on Feb 20, 2010 19:40:02 GMT
Eyeball ....
I guess you never intended to offend, but being that your only advice to my problem made me wonder why you said what you posted..., Relax. Thanks anyway.
regards Ronnie
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Post by nigel on Feb 20, 2010 19:43:17 GMT
Hi Ronnie. I dont have the experience of most of the others on this site but just wanted to comment on the Fender tone specifically. When I last attempted a few shads numbers i used to play through a Fender Blues Deluxe. Dont be thrown by the name. For slow/slowish tunes the ultra clean sound on the clean channel was perfect. I used to do Albatross,Cavatina etc and although the sound didnt match Hanks it was a beautiful tone even without Charlies patches (i didnt know he existed at the time!). Just a stab at the delay with a pedal, the lovely spring reverb in the amp and its warm and soft sounding valves gave a fantastic tone. I dont have that amp now but do have a Vox VT30. The Fender simulations on the Vox are nothing compared to my Blues Deluxe - in my opinion, of course. My point is that your trying to get a tone that just isnt there in the equipment in the first place and i guess the same is probably true of the vox simulations- ducking now for fear of being firmly corrected. Cheers Nigel
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Post by specky on Feb 20, 2010 20:53:08 GMT
Hi Ronnie -Im reading this post with a lot of interest because the amount of help and information here is astounding and helped me on my way to get my tones near to HBMs sound but Im happy with my own sound too -which is more important to me - perhaps this link might be of help to you www.voxamps.com/toneroom/tone/the-shads-sound-1960-onwards/cheers tommy
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Post by Charlie Hall on Feb 20, 2010 21:45:14 GMT
Hi Ronnie, Eyeball is/was an established member of this site, he quit his old membership to start a new one with a different name, but you weren't to know that. Regards, Charlie
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Post by shadowhankron on Feb 20, 2010 23:00:30 GMT
Hi
Sorry Charlie, I just saw his new membership.. as you say I was not to know. However I did reply back to him in the End.
Regards
Ronnie
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Post by shadowhankron on Feb 20, 2010 23:27:28 GMT
To SPECKY,
Tommy Thank You for the Link you Posted, I hopefully Tomorrow will Try out the Settings Shown.
regards
Ronnie
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Post by Pittnuma on Feb 22, 2010 10:39:16 GMT
Hi,
I have no where near the experience or been playing long enough to give real solid advice (some of the advice on here is 2nd to none and has been very interesting), but I would like to let you know my own personal findings, especially with the VT15.
I use a VOX VT15 (all intense & purposes same as yours). A Fender USA std with Duncan Seymour pickups (strings - d'addorio 10s) Zoom G2 programmed with Charlies patches.
I get a reasonable sound using the VT on it's own, however when I plug the G2 into it I do get some feedback coming through unless the gain is turned right down even if you turn the G2's amp modelling off, in so doing I found I did loose some of the tone and a lot of the mids when turning the gain down (but you have no choice unless you want serious feedback and vastly overdriven sounds).
I did have a Fender 65R which when it was running and the G2 plugged into it the Shadows sound was there, smooth & crisp, same when plugged into my dads Deluxe Twin. When my 65R broke I had to go back to the VT15 whilst I wait for the replacement but I struggle to get that proper sound and now I have heard my setup on another amp it is noticeable, a lot seems to be due to the fact the VT is digital, the G2 is digital and putting 1 into the other does not (for mine at least) work that well.
However before I bought the G2 the VT was giving me a happy medium, but you will not get "the exact sound" whilst using a VT.
These are the settings I was using on the VT without the G2 (bare in mind this is with different pups to yours). Taken from memory as I am at work.
Power (on the back) at least 2/3's any less and the tone drops right off & is VERY noticeable).
Always the 1st bank, the 2nd bank is naff on the VT's.
AC15TB or Deluxe Tweed (depending on the song you want). Gain just off full. Volume as required Treble 3/4 Middle just past half Bass just below half Reverb ( to taste somewhere between half & 3/4) Master full Effect Tape echo Edit1 function just passed half I find this 1 to be critical, slightly more and the echo sounds horrid, less and you loose the sound all together), set the tap using the button and dial in some noise reduction using the button (setting of this is quite exact, a lot of experimenting is required).
The settings above give me a reasonable Shadows sound bearing in mind the echos will never be right with just the VT alone. When using the G2 with the VT, drop the Gain right off, no more than a 1/3rd. Disable the echos using the bypass and reduce the noise reduction (kills the tone otherwise!) then disable the amp modelling on the G2.
I hope this helps, it gives me a close sound without using a studio, admitedly better when using the Fender but the settings above are the closest I ever got with the VT (each setting will need a fine tune, I find with the VT a 2mm movement can make a HUGE difference to the overall tone). As stated this is not technical advise and should not be read as such but my own experiences with a VOX VT amp.
DC
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Post by Roger... on Feb 22, 2010 13:27:54 GMT
Hi Ronnie,
Just an observation on DC's very informative post above. It could be the speaker that makes the difference.
I use a Roland Cube 30x amplifier, and record from a provided output socket, directly into a BOSS MICRO BR digital recorder. When I play or play and record, I use the output socket provided on the Roland amplifier, and monitor the sound via headphones on the recorder (this also cuts out the amplifier speaker). I then set the controls on the amplifier to get the sound that I require (it's usually the same for all tunes). The only changes I usually make from thereon is via the pickup selection and controls on the guitar.
I'm only mentioning this, because if I remove the cable between the output socket of the amplifier and the input socket to the recorder, the sound from the amplifier speaker is very different. I then have to completely alter the amplifier controls to get the sound back to what I require.
It was just something that occurred to me when I read about DC getting a different sound from different amplifiers. Maybe some of the difference were the speakers?.......just a thought.
Kind regards Roger
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Pittnuma
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Post by Pittnuma on Feb 22, 2010 13:43:27 GMT
Hi Roger,
Could well be partly it, I think a lot of what I experienced is to do with the G2 being digital aswell as the VOX, I found the Fender amp to work with the G2 so much better; what little I heard of it before it went bang (unrelated!!!).
DC
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Post by shadowhankron on Feb 22, 2010 13:58:50 GMT
Hi Pittnuma & Dyker124
Many Thanks for THE TIME you both took to guide me with This unfortunate problem I seem to have here... I know the G2.1u EFTP are programmed with the Drives set On. Has anybody tried the VT without the Drives switched on the EFTP and just used the Echoes Charlie programmed. I did try but was not pleased, there again it could been the Proper VT Amp sound I needed to get a Fender Amp sound that I`d Like. Again Thanks Both for well described and Timely Reply.
Best Regards
Ronnie
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Pittnuma
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Post by Pittnuma on Feb 22, 2010 15:21:03 GMT
Hi Ronnie,
When I used the G2 with the VT15 I always turned the amp modelling (drives etc) off the G2, but I had made sure I had a sound I was happy with first coming through the VT, the G2 will not change that. I found this was beneficial to having both turned on as sounds started to become distorted. If I left the drive on the G2 I would get a "metallic" sounding bounce on the echo which really sounded odd (and to be honest annoyed the f**k out of me) you could easily tell as this became very high pitched as you played and got into the song, not noticeable 1 note at a time but you get going and it becomes obvious. Knocking the gain down on the VT is equally very important aswell.
I found you have to be happy with the overall sound coming out of the amp BEFORE you plug in the echo pedal otherwise you are just putting an echo sound onto something you are not happy with already and the echo pedal will not rectify this, I personally found it hard to change the settings when echo had been applied so I got "the sound" right (or as close as I was looking for at the time) before I plugged the echo unit in.
As stated in my other post you will find 2 amp modellings on the VT of benefit, but the settings are quite finicky, you do not need to change a setting much and the tone drops right off, make sure the wattage on the back is turned up and the master to full BEFORE you try anything though (1 on the back is vitally important).
I'm afraid most of mine comes from trial & error, the settings on my previous should help give you a starting point with your amp and get you close-ish but to be happy will take you quite some fiddling.
DC
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Post by Pittnuma on Feb 22, 2010 16:11:29 GMT
Ronnie,
Forgot to mention with regards the Sultans of Swing sound, once I changed to the Seymours the VT would not give me the sound I was looking for on Sultans of Swing (I used to play it, still do but I put up with the sound being "different" (sometimes I prefer how I get the sound to Marks version!)), I'm afraid you may well be in the same boat.
But again the basic setups must be ensured, wattage on back up, master full etc.
Oh Sultans needs more chorus than it gives in the initial setup. Also depends on whether its been raining/humidity! My guitar is rather susceptable to weather changes more noticeable with Shadows sounds funnily enough.
DC
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Post by Pittnuma on Feb 22, 2010 16:58:18 GMT
Ronnie,
Have you tried it through headphones by any chance?
DC
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Post by shadowhankron on Feb 22, 2010 19:45:00 GMT
Hi DC or pittnuma
First Thank You Kindly for all your time and energy Helping me with the trouble I have. I never tried headphones at all. I have tried out Today certain settings with VT 30 Amp only without the G2.1u Pedal attached.... which are as Follows, Perhaps if Someone Has the VT 30 Amp and G2.1u Pedal with Fender Guitar could try out the Following two Settings.
This is the VT 30 only........ (1) Drive AC 30 HH GAIN..9`clock.....Vol ( Full) ..Treble 5 o`clock ...Middle 2 o`clock.... Bass 10 o`clock .. Rev off Bypass on
(2) Drive Vox VC 15 Gain.. 9 o`clock Vol ( full ) Treble 12 o`clock Middle ( Full on ) Bass 3 o`clock Rev Off Bypass On
I have not tried these with the G2.1u as my Guitar still seems out of tune on 2nd and 3rd String.. Plus a Buzz sound on 5th & 6th String which are Ernie Ball Strings.
I also heard today while playing around with Guitar & Amp.... with the 5 way Switch when on 1 from Bridge a Buzz on 2 No Buzz on 3 Buzz on 4 No Buzz on 5 Buzz which on quiet playing is annoying.
If anyone could play any tunes with the two above settings and I could hear the Tunes then at Least I know the Amp Settings which I saved into the 8 Banks are the right Settings.
To Nigel, I am sorry I forgot to Thank You for your Advice in what you Posted.....
I Thank you all
Regards Ronnie
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Post by specky on Feb 22, 2010 20:01:59 GMT
Hi ron - did you try the amp settings I put up for you in a earlier post? ? that should give you the basic sound - make sure your guitar lead is in good nick --- and play around with the tone and pickups on your guitar and spend a little time over it best of luck
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Post by shadowhankron on Feb 22, 2010 20:10:36 GMT
Hi Specky
Yes I tried that Link, I saved it into one of the Banks with a Little tweaking, the other Two Settings I posted were as my ears heard the tone I thought was right... Thanks Specky
regards Ronnie
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Post by Charlie Hall on Feb 22, 2010 21:01:56 GMT
Hi Ronnie, It seems that switch positions 2 and 4 are giving no buzz but positions 1, 3 and 5 do give a buzz? This will be because the middle pickup has reverse windings and reverse polarity magnets which give hum cancelling in positions 2 and 4. Unfortunately the only way to get rid of the buzz on positions 1, 3, and 5 is to orient the angle of the guitar relative to your amp and possibly other mains powered equipment nearby ie. turn your body and the guitar. Getting further away from these sources will also help. It is a problem that plagues all single coil pickups and we all put up with it for the tone that single coils have. Regards, Charlie
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Post by shadowhankron on Feb 22, 2010 22:02:29 GMT
Hi Charlie
Thank You for that reply, I was sitting facing the Amp when playing with Amp settings, at least I know from your reply Charlie I dont have a major Pickup problem, Thanks for your Professional help Charlie as always.
regards Ronnie
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Post by shadowhankron on Mar 8, 2010 21:46:15 GMT
Hi
I have had my Guitar Set Up twice in pa``st 4 weeks à`nd still not feeling hàppy with it. The last few days I got chance to try out a current Fender Strat American ( Custom Copy ) 54`s it had a most beautiful tone to it , I asked in shop could my guitar be set up the same way and was told my Strat was a better cersion... yet the Sound from " Custom Copy " was Great.....and tried the Custom Copy throught the Line 6 Spider 4 30 watt, which was Crisp and Clean.... So I am at a dead end with this Strat of mine and VT 30 Vox amp.
regards Ronnie
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Post by Charlie Hall on Mar 8, 2010 22:48:38 GMT
Hi Ronnie, At least to me it seems that your guitar still has a problem. Take it to someone else and have it evaluated. If it is a bad example of your model, then maybe you were just unlucky. The chances are, it still needs a good set up. Don't trust just one person's opinion, which in your case is the guy at the shop. Regards, Charlie
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