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Post by darrell12345 on Dec 8, 2020 9:52:10 GMT
Thanks for letting me know Charlie, it will definitely be worth the wait, the pedal sounds amazing. Best wishes and happy Christmas. Darrell
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Post by rogerbayliss on Dec 8, 2020 10:57:53 GMT
Many thanks Charlie it seems as the Vox amplifiers have changed their circuits many times since the early days, that there is no true emulation or custom amplifier out there that can truely get the right nuances and harmonics etc that we need to achieve the goal of That Sound. I think Dick Denny said in his time at Vox , the circuit design changed 20+ times.
This pedal will offer ux the ability to get the right sound and thanks to you Charlie. I hope it's a success for you.
Will there be an accompanying leaflet on what emulation to use on wh8ch tune, like you did with the echos ?
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Post by Charlie Hall on Dec 8, 2020 19:09:09 GMT
Many thanks Charlie it seems as the Vox amplifiers have changed their circuits many times since the early days, that there is no true emulation or custom amplifier out there that can truely get the right nuances and harmonics etc that we need to achieve the goal of That Sound. I think Dick Denny said in his time at Vox , the circuit design changed 20+ times. This pedal will offer ux the ability to get the right sound and thanks to you Charlie. I hope it's a success for you. Will there be an accompanying leaflet on what emulation to use on wh8ch tune, like you did with the echos ? Hi Roger, I hadn't planned a detailed list of tunes, only a simple instruction leaflet. The 1959 circuit sounds right for Apache and Quatermasster's Stores, and the 1960 Brilliance setting works for all other early Shadows sounds, up until the sound got thinner with tunes such as Dance On and Shindig, which sound like top boost amps to me. The 1960 normal setting sounds very good for Hank's more modern sounds. Regards, Charlie
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Post by milko on Dec 30, 2020 21:42:14 GMT
Hi Charlie, Your imminent EF86 ‘box’ sounds as if it will be the perfect compliment to your sublime H&CSE echo ‘box’ and a Vox AC amp. In what series order of guitar>box>box>amp will be best, sound and impedance wise? I’m jumping the gun a bit here, I know, since it’s not yet actually for sale, but thought I’d apply my thoughts to something other than Covid! On which subject of sale readiness; do you anticipate the unit being available by summertime? If so, we’ll hopefully have the dual mental boost of a vaccination and a great new musical gadget! Joy!! May I finish by wishing you a happy and healthy New Year. I also extend that wish to all members of this fantastic site. All the best, Milko
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Post by Charlie Hall on Dec 30, 2020 21:53:33 GMT
Hi Milko, The new pedal can take the place of a guitar amp, or used with one. The best basic connection order will be Guitar to Echo unit to EF86 pedal, then to Guitar amp, or line input of a desk for recording or PA, or line input of a suitable computer interface or sound card. The pedal should be out well before the summer, but I've been saying similar things for a long time now. The casing design is done, just my signature to add to the artwork and the costing to be done, or the latter may already be done and I just don't know about it. Best wishes for the New Year, hoping it will be better than this one was. Regards, Charlie
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Post by milko on Dec 31, 2020 20:39:32 GMT
Hi Charlie, Many thanks for that. I should imagine that small factories will speed up quite a bit as the vaccine rolls out, and individual and group confidence in immunity develops. Then, hopefully, the economy will begin a big recovery. Whatever; I know you’ve really worked yourself to bits, designing and developing this EF86 ‘box’ and I know it’s going to be an absolute winner! You deserve every success and reward it brings. HAPPY NEW YEAR All the best, Milko
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Post by mickhunt on Jan 12, 2021 12:21:00 GMT
Hi charlie Do you know if they have started working on it yet Ta Mickhunt
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Post by Charlie Hall on Jan 12, 2021 18:30:31 GMT
Hi Mick, I have yet to speak with Stephen since the holidays. I will try again to call him tomorrow. Regards, Charlie
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Post by mickhunt on Jan 18, 2021 15:27:15 GMT
Thanks charlie Their probably shut down
Mickhunt
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Post by Charlie Hall on Jan 18, 2021 21:13:31 GMT
Hi Mick, I did speak briefly with Stephen on Friday because he was tied up with something else. I mentioned the costing and said I would leave it with him. I must call him again this week to see if there is any further news. Regards, Charlie
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Post by milko on Jan 18, 2021 21:30:16 GMT
Hi Charlie, I hope you are well. A very unusual aspect of your new EF86 pedal has just struck me. It will be made in the U.K. like your H&CSE!! (Now I’m definitely not knocking any other country’s products. It’s just an observation.) The pedal will soon be with us, I’m sure! Milko.
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Post by Charlie Hall on Jan 18, 2021 23:09:04 GMT
Hi Milko, Yes, at the same factory. We have a good working relationship. It is inconvenient that they are so busy it takes time to get things going, but better than them not having enough orders. Regards, Charlie
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Post by mickhunt on Feb 18, 2021 11:40:02 GMT
Hi charlie Hope all’s well Do you have the price yet
Mickhunt Sheffield
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Post by Charlie Hall on Feb 18, 2021 19:41:53 GMT
Hi Mick, The price hasn't been agreed or fixed as yet but the costing was done and it seems like it will sell for less than £200 including VAT. I told Stephen it should be a goer but have not heard any more since then. Regards, Charlie
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Post by milko on Feb 20, 2021 20:41:19 GMT
Hi Charlie, I hope you are well. Don’t worry about the delay. Things are tricky for small electronics factories at the moment. When they’re able, they’ll start manufacture, I’m sure. The price at under £200 will certainly be a goer. Looking forward to it! All the best, Milko
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Post by mickhunt on Feb 23, 2021 9:51:49 GMT
Yes charlie the price is right for me also
Mickhunt
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Post by mickhunt on Feb 23, 2021 9:57:42 GMT
Maybe if everyone interested left a comment it would give charlie a more up to date list knowing the price Mickhunt
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Post by dakwah on Feb 23, 2021 12:06:55 GMT
Hi Charlie
seems to be an excellent price and full of anticipation
Stan
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Post by shadocaster25 on Feb 23, 2021 17:24:40 GMT
Hi Charlie, can you stick me down for a unit please.
Regards
Kev
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Post by Charlie Hall on Feb 23, 2021 19:01:52 GMT
Hi Mick and Stan, You are both already on the list, so trust this is still OK with you both. Hi Kev, Thank you. I have added you to the list. Regards, Charlie
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Post by Cruachan on Apr 24, 2021 12:54:42 GMT
Hi Charlie,
Time for another update methinks?
Should we be considering forwarding our frustrations to the manufacturer or would such actions just succeed in muddying the waters unnecessarily? Why do they continue to drag their feet? As interested parties, are we even entitled to ask for an explanation?
At this point, perhaps a few words from the manufacturer on this forum might have a positive effect towards helping to allay our concerns.
I doubt the ‘Dragons’ would accept such ongoing delays as being in any way reasonable or acceptable. This all seems so surprising after the exemplary service delivered surrounding the bringing of the Hall & Collins unit to market.
Best regards, Mike
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Post by Charlie Hall on Apr 24, 2021 16:58:12 GMT
Hi Mike, I can't help thinking the lower potential profit per unit might be a factor, plus the factory is working at reduced capacity during this time. I have done just about as much as I can to push it further. I think interest from potential customers directed to them could help. Regards, Charlie
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Post by Cruachan on Apr 26, 2021 11:53:47 GMT
I think interest from potential customers directed to them could help. Regards, Charlie Hi Charlie, Yes, I agree. We are now 3+ years down the line since the announcement of the EF86 project. A great deal of interest has been expressed and registered throughout this somewhat protracted period, and yet I suspect the manufacturer (? Electromech) may be feeling uncertain as to how such interest will continue to translate into firm orders. The irony, of course, is that they themselves seem to have been largely responsible for arriving at this position. We know Covid-19 and repeated lockdowns have been unavoidable external factors contributing towards these delays. This will soon be changing for the better, as will the strengthening drive towards economic recovery in the UK. We must believe that this return towards more normal activity will be reflected at Electromech and, more importantly, that they will honour their intention to bring the EF86 Project to market. Lest the good folk at Electromech forget, the success of this project is not dependent solely on our interest and enthusiasm. If large volume sales are to be achieved then the unit needs to be priced at a level sufficiently competitive to actually get it out there. Profit margins are important but, pitched too high, will be small consolation if the unit fails to sell well. Once it’s being used and the reviews start to appear, the market will quickly appreciate the unique implementation of a very clever concept and also the impeccable provenance that underlies the creation of this pedal. Consequently, it’s a safe bet that the popularity of the EF86 Project pedal will grow quite quickly. Indeed, I expect to witness it becoming a coveted industry hardware standard eagerly sought after and adopted by guitar musicians around the globe. I continue to favour giving Electromech the benefit of any lingering doubt since we know that, given the opportunity, they will certainly do a great job. Consequently, I second your proposal that we, each in turn, encourage further progress by reaffirming our intention to purchase the product. This can be done directly by communicating with Electromech or here in this thread at CH&Fs. Charlie, I would like to set the ball rolling by confirming my interest in the EF86 Project and also my commitment to purchase one unit. Regards, Mike
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Post by Charlie Hall on Apr 26, 2021 19:06:58 GMT
Hi Mike, Thank you for your continued interest in the project. Quite honestly, I will not make much money out of this project which was set in order to keep the price as low as possible, unless sales turn out to be higher than anticipated. I can only see this happening if the unit takes off in the US. I still have my list which I will keep up to date. Regards, Charlie
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Post by barryjh on Apr 26, 2021 20:51:21 GMT
Hi Charlie,
I'm ready with finger on the £££button... Good luck and keep battling.
Barry
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Post by mickhunt on Apr 27, 2021 11:07:43 GMT
I may have asked the wrong people about the project but got this answere
Hi Michael, The Hall and Collins Signature Echo is available. There are no new products I am afraid. Charlie has spoken of a new product but this would sit with him until a finalised and tested design is ready for manufacture.
Regards
Derek
Derek Richford General Manager Hall and Collins
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Post by Charlie Hall on Apr 27, 2021 19:54:25 GMT
Hi Mick, Well, it was worth a try. You reached the right person for sales. As far as I am concerned the product has been thoroughly tested and I am waiting to hear about the final artwork, which involves only the appearance of my own signature on the product as everything else relating to artwork has already been agreed. Regards, Charlie
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Post by Cruachan on Apr 27, 2021 21:32:08 GMT
Hi Derek,
Thank you very much for responding! I’m sure I speak for everyone here at CH&Fs in hoping you and your colleagues at Electromech have remained hale and hearty throughout the Covid-19 pandemic and are now looking forward to returning to more normal manufacturing and business activity in the near future.
As you are aware, this thread is devoted exclusively to Charlie’s unique and exciting EF86 Project and it’s good to know that Electromech are monitoring our interest and burgeoning enthusiasm for the product. Also, you will know that numerous contributors (myself included) to this thread have asked Charlie to add their names to his list of prospective purchasers just as soon as the EF86 pedal unit is released to market....and this is only the start.
Charlie has done his very best to keep us up to speed with progress over the past 3+ years and our understanding is that most, if not all, the development/design and manufacturing issues have now been resolved. That being the case, I’m sure you will appreciate our concerns that any further delays before the product can be released to market are now kept to a minimum.
Feb 21, 2019 (Quote from Charlie Hall: “I believe there is nothing else quite like it on the market (emulating 2 different EF86 preamps, emulating the EL84 power amp, and emulating the speaker sound typically heard from those amps).”
There seems to be little doubt that this versatile pedal will prove to be a game changer. With appropriate marketing and targeted advertising the potential for sales around the globe could be very significant, possibly huge, especially in the USA, as nothing comparable to what this unit has to offer has existed before now.
We do appreciate just how frustrating these delays must have been for all concerned and, we have been told, much of it has been unavoidable. It is to be hoped that Electromech is now finding itself in a better place and, hopefully, can allay any further anxieties surrounding this project by giving us a timeline for expected release to market. This would be extremely helpful as well as releasing Charlie from having to respond to our never-ending requests for progress updates.
With best wishes and kind regards, Mike (proud owner of the Hall & Collins Signature Echo)
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Post by mickhunt on Apr 27, 2021 22:59:03 GMT
Hi Mike it isn’t a post from Derek I just posted his reply to an email I sent him Mickhunt53
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Post by mickhunt on Apr 27, 2021 23:09:02 GMT
Mick Mike Michael I should have signed the post off after derek . but I would send him you’re last 2 posts. I also sent an email to electromech
Mickhunt
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